Can I offset rental property losses against profits using Schedule E vs LLC for 2025 taxes?
So I currently own 5 rental properties that I've acquired over the past few years. Three are doing pretty well with positive cash flow, but two of them have been money pits with negative net income this year (one needs a new roof and the other had terrible tenants who left significant damage). I've been filing using Schedule E in the past, but I'm trying to understand the rules around losses better. If I'm understanding correctly - when using Schedule E, I can't take a loss from a property that has negative net income, and I also can't net that property's loss against my other properties that are generating positive income. Basically each property stands on its own for tax purposes? What I'm wondering is whether setting up an LLC would change this situation at all? Would organizing the properties under an LLC structure allow me to offset the losses from the struggling properties against the income from my profitable ones? Or am I misunderstanding something fundamental about how rental property taxation works? I'm trying to get ahead of tax planning for 2025 and maximize any legitimate deductions I can take. Any insights about Schedule E vs LLC for multiple rental properties would be really helpful!
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Zara Shah
You've got a slight misunderstanding about how Schedule E works. The good news is that you absolutely CAN net losses from one rental property against income from another on Schedule E. All your rental properties are combined together on the same Schedule E, and the net income or loss from all properties is what flows to your 1040. What you might be thinking of are the passive activity loss limitations. If your TOTAL rental activities result in a loss, those losses may be limited if your income is above certain thresholds (starting at $100,000 and fully phased out at $150,000 for most taxpayers). In that case, you can't use those excess losses to offset other types of income like your wages or investment income. As for the LLC question, simply forming an LLC doesn't change the tax treatment. A single-member LLC is disregarded for tax purposes, so you'd still report everything on Schedule E just like you do now. If you elected to have the LLC taxed as an S-Corp, you'd have additional complications without solving your loss issue.
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NebulaNomad
•Thanks for clarifying! So if I understand correctly, I CAN offset losses from one property against gains from another on Schedule E, but if my total rental activity is negative, I might not be able to use those losses against my regular income? Do real estate professionals get different treatment for these passive activity limitations?
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Zara Shah
•That's exactly right! You can absolutely offset losses from one property against gains from another on Schedule E - that's the standard approach. If you qualify as a real estate professional, you get much more favorable treatment. Real estate professionals can deduct rental losses against any type of income without being subject to the passive activity loss limitations. To qualify, you need to spend at least 750 hours per year in real estate activities and more than half of your working time must be in real property businesses. It's a high bar to clear if you have another full-time job, but very beneficial if you can qualify.
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Luca Ferrari
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Nia Wilson
•Did they help with determining if you qualify as a real estate professional? That's where I'm stuck - I spend about 25 hours a week managing my properties but also have a part-time teaching job. Not sure if I'm over the threshold.
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Mateo Martinez
•I'm skeptical about these kinds of services. How do they actually help beyond what a regular CPA would tell you? I've been doing my own taxes for years and I feel like these are just gimmicks that cost extra money.
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Luca Ferrari
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Mateo Martinez
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Aisha Hussain
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Ethan Clark
•How does this actually work? Do they have some special access to the IRS or something? I've tried calling dozens of times about my rental depreciation questions and always get disconnected.
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StarStrider
•This sounds like BS honestly. Nobody can get through to the IRS these days. If there was some magic way to skip the phone queue, the IRS would shut it down immediately. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Aisha Hussain
•They don't have special access exactly - they use an automated system that continuously calls the IRS and navigates the phone tree for you. Once they secure a place in line, they call you to connect with the agent. It's basically like having someone sit on hold for you, but using technology to do it efficiently. I was in the same boat as you - kept getting disconnected or waiting for hours. The difference is their system knows exactly which prompts to select and can keep trying much more persistently than a human would. When I finally got connected to the agent, they were just a regular IRS employee - there's no special treatment once you're actually talking to someone.
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StarStrider
I have to publicly eat my words here. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try Claimyr as a test since I've been unable to reach the IRS about a passive loss question for my rental properties. Not only did it work, but I was connected to an IRS rep in about 20 minutes. The agent clarified that my understanding of Schedule E was wrong - I CAN combine all my rental properties on one Schedule E and offset losses from one property against income from others. What I can't do is take those losses against my regular W-2 income if I don't qualify as a real estate professional. This actually saved me from filing incorrectly. I was planning to create separate LLCs thinking it would help with the tax situation, but the IRS confirmed it wouldn't change how losses are treated. Would have wasted money on unnecessary LLC formation costs.
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Yuki Sato
Just want to add that while LLCs don't change how rental income is taxed on your personal return, they DO provide valuable liability protection. I have 3 rentals each in separate LLCs to protect my personal assets and to prevent a lawsuit on one property from affecting the others. For tax purposes, I still file everything on Schedule E since my LLCs are single-member and disregarded for tax purposes. But the legal protection is worth the annual LLC fees in my state ($125/year per LLC in my case).
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Carmen Ruiz
•What about the cost of managing multiple LLCs though? I was quoted almost $1500 per LLC for formation and then annual fees. Do you think it's still worth it for smaller properties? I'm in California so everything is more expensive.
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Yuki Sato
•California is definitely one of the more expensive states for LLCs with their $800 annual franchise tax per LLC. For smaller properties, you might consider a single LLC with multiple properties inside it as a compromise. You'd lose some isolation between properties, but still get protection for your personal assets. Another option some investors use is to form LLCs in more business-friendly states like Wyoming or Nevada, then register them as foreign LLCs in California. You'll still pay fees, but potentially less than forming directly in California. Just make sure to work with an attorney who specializes in this area since there are specific requirements to maintain the liability protection.
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Andre Lefebvre
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - if your overall rental losses are limited by the passive activity rules, those losses aren't lost forever! They get suspended and carried forward to future tax years when you either: 1. Have passive income to offset them against 2. Dispose of the entire passive activity in a fully taxable transaction I had suspended losses building up for years that I was finally able to use when I sold one of my properties last year. It significantly reduced my tax bill on the sale!
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Zoe Alexopoulos
•This is such an important point! I've been carrying forward about $27k in suspended passive losses from a really bad year (expensive roof replacement + vacancy). Just knowing they're not lost forever makes the current limitations more bearable.
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Jamal Anderson
•Does this carryforward happen automatically when you file with software like TurboTax? Or do you need to track it separately and manually enter it each year?
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Anita George
•Most tax software will track this automatically if you've been filing consistently with the same program. The suspended losses get carried on Form 8582 (Passive Activity Loss Limitations) and should roll forward year to year. However, I'd recommend keeping your own records as a backup - especially the details of which specific activities generated the losses. If you switch tax software or preparers, having those details makes the transition much smoother. I learned this the hard way when I switched from TurboTax to a CPA and had to reconstruct several years of suspended loss details.
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Adriana Cohn
Great discussion here! I'm dealing with a similar situation - 3 rental properties where one is consistently losing money due to high maintenance costs. One additional consideration I haven't seen mentioned is the material participation rules. Even if you don't qualify as a real estate professional, you might still be able to deduct up to $25,000 in rental losses against your ordinary income if you "actively participate" in the rental activity and your adjusted gross income is under $100,000 (phases out completely at $150,000). Active participation is much easier to meet than real estate professional status - you just need to make management decisions like approving tenants, setting rental terms, or approving repairs. You don't need to do the day-to-day work yourself. This $25,000 allowance applies to your combined rental activities, so losses from your problem properties can offset both income from profitable properties AND up to $25k of your regular income if you meet the requirements. Might be worth looking into if you're not already taking advantage of this!
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Selena Bautista
•This is incredibly helpful! I had no idea about the $25,000 active participation allowance. I definitely meet the active participation requirements since I handle tenant screening, lease negotiations, and approve all major repairs myself. My AGI is around $85,000 so I should qualify for the full amount. This could make a huge difference for my situation since my total rental loss this year will probably be around $18,000 after combining all properties. So I could potentially use that entire loss against my W-2 income rather than having it suspended? That would be a game-changer for my tax planning!
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Gabriel Ruiz
This is such a valuable thread! I'm in a similar boat with multiple rental properties and have been confused about the tax implications. One thing I'd add based on my experience is the importance of keeping detailed records for each property, especially when you have some profitable and some losing money. Even though you combine everything on Schedule E, maintaining separate books for each property helps you track which ones are consistently problematic and make better business decisions. Also, for those dealing with major repairs like the roof mentioned in the original post - make sure you understand the difference between repairs (immediately deductible) and improvements (must be depreciated). A roof replacement is typically considered an improvement that gets depreciated over 27.5 years, not a repair you can deduct all at once. This distinction can significantly impact your current year losses. The active participation rule mentioned by Adriana is huge - that $25,000 allowance has saved me thousands in taxes over the years. Just make sure you document your management activities in case the IRS ever questions whether you truly actively participate.
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Aaron Lee
•This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I needed! The repair vs improvement distinction is something I've been struggling with. I have a property where I replaced the HVAC system last year - I was treating it as a repair but sounds like it should be depreciated as an improvement instead. The record-keeping advice is spot on too. I've been lazy about separating expenses by property and just lumping everything together. That probably makes it harder to see which properties are actually profitable and which ones might need to be sold. Do you use any specific software for tracking each property separately, or just good old spreadsheets? Also really glad someone brought up the active participation rule - I had no idea this existed and it sounds like I definitely qualify. Between this thread and actually being able to offset losses between properties on Schedule E, my tax situation is looking much better than I thought!
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Micah Trail
•For tracking each property separately, I use QuickBooks Online with different classes for each property - it makes generating individual P&L statements super easy come tax time. You could definitely do it with spreadsheets too, but having everything automated in accounting software saves me hours during tax season. Regarding your HVAC replacement - that's almost certainly a capital improvement that should be depreciated over 27.5 years rather than deducted immediately. The general rule is if it adds value, prolongs the useful life, or adapts the property to new uses, it's an improvement. Replacing an entire system definitely falls into that category. One more tip since you're getting serious about the record-keeping: consider taking photos of major repairs/improvements and keeping invoices organized by property and year. I learned this lesson when the IRS asked for documentation on a large improvement I'd claimed - having everything organized by property made the audit much smoother. The active participation rule documentation is usually easier since it's more about showing you make management decisions, but having a paper trail never hurts!
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Ryder Ross
This thread has been incredibly informative! I'm in a very similar situation with 4 rental properties - 2 profitable and 2 that have been cash drains this year due to major repairs and vacancy issues. The clarification about Schedule E allowing you to offset losses from one property against gains from another is huge for me. I was under the same misconception as the original poster and thought each property had to stand alone. Now I understand that it's the TOTAL rental activity that matters for the passive loss limitations, not individual properties. The active participation rule is also news to me and sounds like it could save me a significant amount in taxes. I definitely qualify since I handle all tenant communications, approve repairs, and make all major decisions myself. My AGI is around $95k so I should get the full $25k allowance. One question though - if I have a net rental loss of say $15k after combining all properties, and I can use that against my W-2 income due to active participation, do I still need to worry about the passive activity loss carryforward rules? Or does the active participation exception mean those losses get used immediately rather than suspended? Also appreciate all the mentions of proper record keeping. I've been pretty sloppy about separating expenses by property and this discussion has convinced me I need to get more organized before next tax season!
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