Can't deduct rental property expenses with income over $150k? Passive loss limitations driving me crazy!
I'm absolutely losing my mind over this tax situation with my rental property. My tenant completely destroyed the place and I had to drop around $25k fixing everything - new heat pump system because they somehow ruined the furnace, drywall replacement, all new carpeting, you name it. So I'm sitting here entering all these massive expenses into TurboTax thinking I'm going to get some relief, and NOTHING HAPPENS! The refund ticker doesn't budge at all. I start frantically googling and apparently when your income is over $150k, rental property losses get phased out because of some "passive activity loss limitation" rule?! I'm desperate for workarounds here. Could I potentially put my rental properties into an LLC for the upcoming tax year and file a separate return for that entity? My thinking is that since the LLC itself wouldn't make over $150k, I could deduct all these expenses at the LLC level, and then only report the resulting profit (which would be much lower) on my personal return. Does this actually work? Is there ANY way I can deduct these legitimate business expenses? Help!
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Isabella Tucker
You've run into the passive activity loss limitations, which can be frustrating when you have legitimate expenses. Here's what's happening: rental activities are considered "passive" by the IRS, and if your modified adjusted gross income exceeds $150,000, your ability to deduct these losses against other income starts phasing out, until it's completely eliminated at $150,000. Creating an LLC won't solve this problem. An LLC is typically a pass-through entity for tax purposes, meaning the income and expenses still flow to your personal tax return unless you elect corporate taxation. The passive loss rules would still apply. However, there are some potential options: 1. If you qualify as a real estate professional (750+ hours working in real estate activities and more time in real estate than any other profession), your rental activities aren't subject to passive loss limitations. 2. You can carry forward unused losses to future years when your income is lower or when you sell the property. 3. The property repairs might be categorized differently - some may be immediate expenses while others might be capital improvements that get depreciated.
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Jayden Hill
•I'm in a similar situation but I'm confused about the real estate professional thing. I work full-time at my regular job but also manage 3 rental properties myself (handle tenant calls, arrange repairs, etc). Would those management hours count toward the 750 hours to qualify? Also, do you know if being an active participant but not a real estate professional gives any partial deduction?
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Isabella Tucker
•The hours you spend managing your properties do count toward the 750-hour requirement, but to qualify as a real estate professional, you must spend MORE time in real estate activities than in your regular job. Since you mentioned working full-time elsewhere, it would be difficult to satisfy this requirement unless your regular job is part-time. For your second question, there is a special allowance if you "actively participate" in your rental activities. This allows you to deduct up to $25,000 in rental losses against other income. However, this allowance begins phasing out when your MAGI exceeds $100,000 and disappears completely at $150,000. So if your income is over $150k, even active participation won't help.
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LordCommander
After wasting hours trying to figure out rental property tax rules, I found taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) which saved me from making a huge mistake with my passive activity losses. I uploaded my previous tax returns and documentation about my rental property repairs, and it caught that some of my "repairs" should actually be classified as capital improvements with different tax treatment. The analysis also showed me how to correctly calculate my suspended passive losses and carry them forward. The system explained exactly how the passive activity limitations work for my specific situation and gave me a strategy to maximize deductions over the next few years. Much clearer than the vague advice I was getting elsewhere.
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Lucy Lam
•Does it actually help find workarounds though? Like, can it tell you if you qualify as a real estate professional or suggest legitimate ways to restructure your business to avoid these limitations? I'm skeptical that an AI can give personalized advice that would stand up to an audit.
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Aidan Hudson
•How does this compare to just having a CPA? I pay my accountant about $500 a year to handle my rental property taxes and he's supposed to know all this stuff. Does this AI thing actually find deductions a human accountant would miss?
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LordCommander
•It actually does provide legitimate strategies based on your specific situation. After analyzing my activities, it determined I was close to qualifying as a real estate professional and outlined exactly what additional activities would count toward the hour requirement. It's not creating shady workarounds, just identifying legitimate tax positions I wasn't aware of. Compared to a CPA, the difference is in the thoroughness of the review. My accountant wasn't catching that certain repairs should be treated as immediate expenses versus capitalized. The AI examined every line item of my expenses and categorized them correctly according to IRS guidelines. It's not replacing my accountant, but it's giving me the knowledge to ask better questions and ensure nothing gets missed.
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Aidan Hudson
Ok I finally tried taxr.ai and I'm genuinely shocked. It found over $8,000 in additional deductions my accountant missed! The biggest thing was helping me properly document my time spent on rental activities - turns out I was actually close to meeting the real estate professional standards but hadn't been tracking my hours correctly. It also identified several repairs I had made that qualified as immediate expenses rather than improvements that needed to be depreciated. The explanation about suspended passive losses was super clear, and now I understand how to use these carried-forward losses when I eventually sell the property. My CPA is great for most things, but he definitely doesn't specialize in rental property tax optimization like this.
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Zoe Wang
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Connor Richards
•Wait, how does this work? I thought the IRS phone lines were just permanently jammed and there was no way around it. Are they somehow bypassing the queue legitimately? Also, did the IRS actually give you helpful advice? I always thought they refused to give tax advice.
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Grace Durand
•Sounds like a scam to me. If there was really a way to skip the IRS phone queue, everyone would be using it. I've been dealing with rental properties for years and have never heard of this service. What are they doing that I can't do myself, and how do they have this magical "direct line" to the IRS?
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Zoe Wang
•They use technology that continuously redials and navigates the IRS phone system until it gets through, then alerts you when there's an actual human on the line. It's completely legitimate - they're just automating the tedious process of calling, waiting, getting disconnected, and calling again that we all go through manually. The IRS representatives won't provide specific tax advice about your situation, but they can clarify how the rules work and answer questions about forms and deadlines. In my case, they helped me understand which form to use for reporting different types of rental property expenses and confirmed the rules about passive activity loss limitations. They won't tell you "do this to pay less taxes" but they will explain the correct way to report and classify your specific expenses.
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Grace Durand
I need to eat my words and apologize. I was totally skeptical about Claimyr, but after another frustrating morning of IRS busy signals, I decided to try it. Within 20 minutes, I was talking to an actual human at the IRS. I've NEVER gotten through that quickly in my life. The agent helped me understand how to document my material participation in my rental activities and explained exactly how the passive loss rules apply to my situation. She also clarified which form I needed to use to properly carry forward my suspended losses. This conversation probably saved me from making a mistake that would have triggered an audit. For anyone struggling with rental property tax questions, being able to actually speak with someone at the IRS instead of guessing or relying on internet forums makes a huge difference. I'm still shocked at how well this worked.
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Steven Adams
One thing nobody has mentioned - are you sure your repairs are actually repairs and not capital improvements? Repairs can be deducted immediately, while improvements have to be depreciated over time. For example, replacing a few broken tiles is a repair, but installing all new flooring is an improvement. This distinction matters because the passive activity rules apply differently. Even with income over $150k, properly classified immediate repairs might be deductible. Check out IRS Publication 527 - it has a whole section on how to distinguish between repairs and improvements for rental properties.
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Emma Swift
•Thank you for bringing this up! I wasn't being careful about distinguishing repairs vs improvements. Looking at what I listed, the new HVAC system would definitely be an improvement (27.5 year depreciation I think?), but some of the other work might qualify as repairs. Does anyone know if replacing drywall and carpet after tenant damage counts as a repair or improvement? The damage was limited to certain areas, not a complete renovation. I'm guessing in IRS eyes that might make a difference?
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Steven Adams
•If you're replacing damaged drywall and carpet to restore the property to its previous condition, that's generally considered a repair and may be immediately deductible. The key factor is whether you're restoring versus improving. If you're replacing damaged carpet with similar carpet, that's a repair. If you're upgrading from carpet to hardwood floors, that's an improvement. The extent matters too. Patching specific damaged areas is clearly a repair. Complete replacement of all drywall or flooring throughout the property might be viewed as an improvement, even if you're using similar materials. Document the damage with photos and keep all receipts that show you're restoring to the previous condition. This documentation is crucial if you're audited.
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Alice Fleming
Have you looked into cost segregation for your rental property? It's a strategy where you identify parts of the building that can be depreciated over shorter periods (5, 7, or 15 years) instead of the standard 27.5 years for residential rental property. Things like appliances, some fixtures, and even certain components of the HVAC might qualify. This won't get around the passive activity limits, but it can front-load your depreciation deductions, which might be useful when you eventually can use them (either when income decreases or when you sell the property).
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Hassan Khoury
•I did this with two rental properties and it made a HUGE difference. Just be warned that it usually requires hiring a specialized firm to do the cost segregation study, which can cost several thousand dollars. For me it was worth it because I was able to move about 30% of my property value from 27.5 year to 5-15 year depreciation schedules.
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Kaylee Cook
This is such a frustrating situation, but you're definitely not alone in dealing with these passive activity loss limitations. I went through something similar last year when I had major repairs on my duplex. One thing that helped me was really digging into the repair vs. improvement classification that others have mentioned. For your situation, the new heat pump is definitely a capital improvement, but depending on how extensive the drywall and carpet replacement was, some of it might qualify as repairs if you're truly restoring to the previous condition rather than upgrading. Also, don't forget that even though you can't use these losses now, they don't disappear - they carry forward indefinitely. When your income drops below the thresholds in future years, or when you eventually sell the property, you can use all those suspended losses. I know it doesn't help your current tax situation, but at least the deductions aren't permanently lost. Have you considered whether you might qualify for the $25,000 active participation allowance? It phases out completely at $150k, but if you're right at that threshold, even a small reduction in AGI through retirement contributions or other deductions might get you back into the range where you can use some of these losses.
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Jamal Brown
•Great point about the $25k active participation allowance! I'm actually sitting right around $155k AGI, so I might be able to get back into that range. I hadn't thought about maxing out my 401k contributions to bring down my AGI - that could potentially save me $5k in contributions and maybe unlock some of these rental losses. The carry-forward aspect does make me feel a bit better, even though it's frustrating not getting relief now. I'm planning to potentially retire early in about 8 years, so hopefully I can use these suspended losses then when my income drops significantly. Do you know if there's a limit on how long you can carry forward passive losses, or do they really last indefinitely until you can use them?
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