Tax deductions for self-rental arrangement in our primary residence - legal strategy?
I wanted to get some feedback on a tax strategy we're considering for our new home purchase: 1. My husband works in software development making around $240k annually (W2 income) 2. I'm primarily a stay-at-home mom but also work as a licensed real estate agent managing our portfolio of 5 rental properties. I satisfy the material participation requirements, so we can offset rental losses against regular income 3. We're planning to purchase a new primary residence in the $2M range Here's what we're thinking: Instead of buying the house directly, we'd purchase it through an LLC and then rent it to ourselves at fair market value. The LLC would operate at a loss of approximately $45k annually due to property taxes, mortgage interest, and other expenses. Since I qualify as a real estate professional and meet material participation requirements, we could potentially deduct these losses against my husband's substantial W2 income. This approach looks like it would save us significantly compared to a traditional purchase. We've consulted with a tax professional who indicated this should work fine as long as we're charging ourselves legitimate market rent. Does anyone have experience with this strategy? Are there potential issues or pitfalls we should be aware of? Would appreciate any insights!
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Lucas Notre-Dame
This is a common strategy but there are several important considerations before proceeding. The IRS scrutinizes self-rental arrangements closely, especially for primary residences. First, you must legitimately qualify as a real estate professional (750+ hours annually in real estate activities, with more time spent on real estate than any other occupation). Simply having a license isn't enough - you need documented hours. Second, the "self-rental" rule under IRC 469 can recharacterize rental income as non-passive, while keeping losses passive. This asymmetry often surprises taxpayers. Third, you'll need proper documentation - a legitimate lease agreement, separate accounts, property management records, and proof you're paying fair market rent. The LLC should be treated as a separate entity with its own bank accounts, insurance, etc. Finally, consider long-term implications: you'll lose the capital gains exclusion ($500k for married couples) when selling your primary residence since it's now an investment property, and you'll have depreciation recapture issues.
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Layla Mendes
•Thank you for the detailed response! I'm definitely putting in the hours needed for real estate professional status - about 30 hours weekly managing our rentals plus handling some client transactions. I keep a detailed log of all activities. Could you explain more about that self-rental rule? If our losses stay passive, wouldn't that defeat the whole purpose since we couldn't offset my husband's income?
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Lucas Notre-Dame
•You're welcome! The self-rental rule is a bit tricky. Normally it applies when you rent property to a business in which you materially participate, making the income non-passive but keeping losses passive. However, since this is a personal residence rather than a business property, you're dealing with a slightly different situation. For your strategy to work, you need to qualify for the real estate professional exception AND group all your rental activities as a single activity through an election on your tax return. This can allow losses to be treated as non-passive if you materially participate in the grouped rental activity. However, renting to yourself creates additional scrutiny. The IRS may question whether this is truly a rental activity or just a tax avoidance scheme. Documentation and business purpose become extremely important.
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Aria Park
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Noah Ali
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Chloe Boulanger
•Do they actually help with setting up the proper documentation like the lease agreements and stuff? That's where I always struggle - knowing exactly what paperwork I need to have in place to satisfy IRS requirements for these kinds of arrangements.
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Aria Park
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James Martinez
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Olivia Harris
•Wait, how does this actually work? Do they just call the IRS and then somehow transfer the call to you when someone answers? That seems like it wouldn't be allowed...
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Alexander Zeus
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James Martinez
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Alicia Stern
Be VERY careful with this strategy! I tried something similar in 2023 and ended up being audited. The issue wasn't the self-rental itself but the "economic substance" of the arrangement. The IRS argued that the transaction lacked a legitimate business purpose beyond tax avoidance. Some things that tripped me up: - Not having proper insurance (needs to be landlord insurance, not homeowner's) - Using personal accounts for some property expenses - Not having a formal lease with all proper terms - Not being able to prove fair market rent (you need comparable properties) The audit cost me more than I ever would have saved, plus I had to amend three years of returns. Just be absolutely certain your documentation is bulletproof if you go this route.
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Layla Mendes
•This is exactly the kind of real-world experience I was hoping to learn from. Would you mind sharing what documentation the IRS specifically questioned during your audit? And did you qualify as a real estate professional or were you trying a different approach?
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Alicia Stern
•The documentation they zeroed in on was my activity log for proving real estate professional status. I claimed to meet the requirements but my records were inconsistent and some activities I counted weren't considered "material participation" by the auditor. I did qualify as a real estate professional based on hours, but they questioned whether I was truly spending more time on real estate than my primary job. They wanted to see detailed, contemporaneous records - not just a spreadsheet I created after the fact. They also scrutinized whether the rent I charged myself was truly market rate, asking for multiple comparable properties and professional rental assessments. One major issue was commingling of funds between personal and business accounts. They viewed this as evidence I wasn't treating the LLC as a separate entity. Make sure every expense goes through separate accounts and that you have a formal process for paying rent that looks like a true landlord-tenant relationship.
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Gabriel Graham
Has anyone considered the insurance implications of this arrangement? Most homeowner's policies won't cover claims if you're technically renting from an LLC that you own. You'd need a landlord policy for the LLC and a renter's policy for yourselves. Also, what about mortgage considerations? Many residential mortgages have occupancy clauses requiring the borrower to occupy the property. If the LLC takes the mortgage but doesn't occupy it, you might be violating the terms.
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Drake
•Good points. Also worth mentioning that mortgage rates for investment properties are typically higher than primary residences, often by 0.5-1%. So even if you find a lender willing to do this arrangement, you'll likely pay more for the mortgage, which could offset some of the tax savings.
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