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Molly Hansen

Legit Short Term Rental to Personal Property Tax Loophole? Seems Too Easy

Hey all, my wife and I bring home over $300k combined from our W2 jobs and I'm desperately hunting for ways to cut down our tax bill. I've been researching a potential strategy that honestly sounds way too good to be true, so I wanted to run it by people who might know better. The basic strategy I've been looking at is: 1. Purchase a property (thinking something in the $650-800k range) 2. Furnish it completely and rent it out as a short-term rental 3. Make sure I satisfy the material participation requirements and keep the average guest stay at 7 days or less 4. Get a cost segregation study done and apply accelerated depreciation Am I missing something here? This seems like a legitimate way to generate massive paper losses while building equity in a property. I know there are rules about passive activity losses but it seems like if I meet the material participation test and keep stays short, I can use the losses against our W2 income. Is this actually legit or am I overlooking something major? Anyone have experience with this strategy?

You're on the right track with your short-term rental strategy, but there are some important details to understand. The strategy works because short-term rentals where the average stay is 7 days or less are considered a "business" rather than a "rental activity" under tax code. By actively participating (750+ hours annually if this is your only business activity), you can potentially deduct losses against your W2 income. The cost segregation study is key - it allows you to depreciate different components of the property over shorter periods (5, 7, or 15 years instead of 27.5 years for residential). This creates larger paper losses in the early years. However, watch out for: 1) The real estate professional rules are strict and the IRS scrutinizes these claims, 2) You need documentation of your participation hours, 3) You'll face depreciation recapture taxes if you sell, and 4) The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act limits some business losses against W2 income above certain thresholds.

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Do you have any idea how many hours per week you actually need to spend managing a short term rental to qualify as "material participation"? I've heard different things ranging from 100 hours total to 500+ hours per year.

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There are several tests to meet material participation, but for your situation with high W2 income, the safest is the 500+ hour test where you participate for more than 500 hours during the year in the activity. Another option is the 100+ hour test where you participate at least 100 hours and no one else participates more than you do. For rental activities specifically, once you're treating it as a business (with the 7-day average stay rule), you still need to document all participation hours. This includes time spent on maintenance, cleaning, booking management, guest communications, marketing, etc. Many people underestimate the documentation requirements - the IRS wants contemporaneous logs, not estimates created during an audit.

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How does this actually work? Do you just upload your documents and then get back a report? Does it give you actual advice specific to your situation or is it just general information you could find anywhere?

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I'm skeptical this would be better than just hiring a good CPA who specializes in real estate. These online tools seem to just give generic advice that might not stand up in an audit. Did you actually use this for filing or just for research?

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You upload your documents and property information, and the AI analyzes everything and creates a personalized tax strategy report. It's definitely not generic advice - it gave me specific depreciation schedules for my exact property specifications and identified deductions I was missing based on my specific situation. I did use the guidance for filing, but I also had my CPA review everything. The funny thing is, my CPA actually loved the analysis and said it saved her hours of work. She even asked which service I used because the depreciation strategy was more optimized than what she typically implements for clients with similar properties.

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How long did you have to wait for them to get through? The IRS hold times are insane lately.

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This sounds like a scam... why would you need a service to call the IRS? And how do you know the "agent" you talked to actually gave you correct information? IRS phone reps often give conflicting advice.

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I got a call back in about 2 hours, which was amazing considering I had previously waited over 3 hours on hold and still couldn't get through. You don't have to sit there listening to hold music - they just call you when an agent is on the line. The information I received was definitely from a real IRS agent. I verified this by asking for her ID number and department, which they provide. To validate the information, I actually called back a few days later using the service again and asked similar questions to a different agent. Both gave consistent answers about the material participation documentation requirements, which gave me confidence in the guidance.

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Just a heads up about that short term rental "loophole" - one thing that trips up a lot of people is the "grouping" of activities. If you're trying to qualify as a real estate professional, you need to be careful about how you group or don't group your properties. Also, if your income is over $300k, remember that there are excess business loss limitations ($289k for joint filers in 2023) and the passive activity loss limitations are even more strict at your income level. Cost segregation is powerful but there are phaseouts of certain benefits at higher income levels.

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Can you explain a bit more about the "grouping" of activities? I have two STRs and one long-term rental and I'm confused about whether I should be treating them as one real estate business or separate activities.

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Grouping activities can be complex but here's the simplified version. You can elect to group multiple rental properties as a single activity if they constitute an "appropriate economic unit." This is determined based on factors like geographical location, similarities in types of properties, and common management. The advantage is that you can potentially meet material participation requirements across all properties combined rather than for each one separately. For example, if you have 3 STRs, you might only spend 200 hours on each (600 total), which wouldn't meet the 500-hour test individually, but would as a group.

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Has anyone actually tried doing an STR in an Opportunity Zone? I heard there are additional tax benefits but not sure if they stack with the cost segregation benefits.

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I did this last year! Opportunity Zones give you capital gains deferral if you invest previous capital gains into the fund, potential reduction of those deferred gains, and tax-free appreciation on the OZ investment if held 10+ years. The awesome part is these benefits DO stack with cost segregation and STR advantages. My property is in an OZ in Nashville, and I'm running it as an STR with average stays under 7 days. The cost seg study let me depreciate about 30% of the property value in year one, while still getting all the OZ benefits.

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This is a solid strategy that I've been using for the past two years with great success. The key points everyone mentioned are spot-on, but I'd add a few practical considerations from my experience: First, the 7-day average stay rule is calculated across the entire tax year, not per booking. So you can have some longer stays as long as your overall average stays under 7 days. I track this monthly to make sure I'm on target. Second, documentation is EVERYTHING. I use a detailed spreadsheet tracking every hour spent on property management, maintenance, marketing, guest communication, etc. Include travel time to the property, time spent researching market rates, even time spent on STR education/training. The IRS wants contemporaneous records, so log hours as you go, not at year-end. Third, consider the state tax implications too. Some states don't allow the same federal deductions, so factor that into your ROI calculations. The strategy absolutely works, but it requires treating it like a real business with proper record-keeping. At your income level, you'll definitely want a CPA experienced with STR tax strategies to make sure you're maximizing benefits while staying compliant.

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