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Mikayla Brown

Understanding SSA-1099 Box 4 Repayments for Social Security Benefits

I'm volunteering as a tax preparer for the second year at our local VITA site and I'm hoping to get some insight on a situation with my neighbor's parents' social security benefits. Our center is completely overrun right now with the filing deadline approaching, so I want to make sure I have all the necessary information before bringing this issue to my site coordinator. My neighbor's mother recently became a widow after his father passed away about two weeks ago. He's now helping her organize their finances. Both parents are in their 70s and receiving social security benefits. I noticed something unusual when looking at their 2024 SSA-1099 forms - both have substantial amounts in Box 4 (repayment). The father's Box 4 repayment is particularly concerning as it equals approximately half of his 2024 benefits. According to my neighbor, they never elected to receive a lump sum payment. I'm puzzled about what might cause such a significant overpayment of social security benefits. What specific information should I request from them, besides their previous years' tax returns? I'm trying to be respectful of their recent loss while gathering all relevant details efficiently before consulting with the experienced preparers at our site. I'm also personally curious about how these SSA repayments work. Any insights would be greatly appreciated!

Sean Matthews

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These SSA-1099 Box 4 repayments can happen for several reasons, and it's good you're being thorough before bringing this to your site coordinator. The most common causes include: 1) Earnings that exceeded the annual limit while receiving benefits before full retirement age 2) Changes in disability status or worker's compensation benefits 3) Administrative errors by SSA 4) Medicare premium adjustments based on income from two years prior Since the father's repayment is about half his benefits, it sounds like this might be related to the earnings test. If he was working while collecting benefits before reaching full retirement age and earned over the annual threshold, SSA would reduce benefits - sometimes substantially. Ask your neighbor if his father was working in 2024 or 2023 while receiving benefits. Also ask if either parent received any notices from Social Security about benefit adjustments or overpayments. Check if there were significant income changes between 2022 and 2024 that might have triggered IRMAA Medicare premium adjustments. You'll also want to find out if they've already repaid these amounts or if they still owe the SSA. Box 4 only shows what SSA considers repaid during the year, not necessarily what the taxpayers actually paid back out-of-pocket.

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Ali Anderson

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This is really helpful information, thank you! Quick question - if it was related to the earnings test, wouldn't that have shown up in previous years too? My neighbor mentioned his dad retired fully about 4 years ago. Also, how does this repayment affect their tax return? Do they get some kind of deduction or credit for the amount in Box 4?

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Sean Matthews

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If he retired fully 4 years ago, then you're right - the earnings test probably isn't the issue unless he had some unexpected income. The repayment could be from a retroactive adjustment SSA just processed, even if it relates to benefits from years ago. For tax purposes, Box 4 amounts are already subtracted from the total in Box 3 on the SSA-1099, so the taxable amount is already reduced. If the repayment is over $3,000, they might benefit from claiming a tax credit or itemized deduction for the repayment using the "claim of right" provision, which sometimes provides better tax treatment than just the reduced Box 3 amount.

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Emma Morales

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Emma Morales

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Lucas Parker

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Donna Cline

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One thing to consider about SSA-1099 Box 4 repayments is that sometimes they're related to Medicare premium adjustments (IRMAA) based on income from two years prior. If either parent had a significant income event in 2022 (like a large IRA distribution, capital gains, or even a Roth conversion), it could have triggered higher Medicare premiums for 2024. The tricky part is that these premium increases show up as "repayments" in Box 4, even though they're really just premium adjustments. Since you mentioned the father's repayment was about half his benefits, this could be what happened, especially if he had a large taxable event in 2022.

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Mikayla Brown

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That's a really good point about IRMAA that I hadn't considered! I'll definitely ask my neighbor if his father took any large distributions or had capital gains in 2022. They did mention selling some property around that time, so this could be exactly what caused it. Would they have received any specific notice from Medicare about premium adjustments if this was the case?

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Donna Cline

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Yes, Medicare should have sent a notice called an "Initial IRMAA Determination" explaining the premium increase. It would have arrived in late 2023 before the 2024 premium changes took effect. If they did sell property in 2022, that's very likely the cause. The good news is that if their income has now decreased (which often happens after a one-time capital gain), they can file Form SSA-44 "Medicare Income-Related Monthly Adjustment Amount - Life-Changing Event" to request a reduction in their Medicare premiums. This is especially important for the surviving spouse whose household income has likely decreased.

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As someone who's dealt with parental SSA issues, make sure to check if the repayment is related to overpayment due to workers comp or disability payments. My father received both workers comp and social security disability for a period, and there was an offset that created a similar Box 4 situation. Also, if you're helping with taxes after a death, remember to look into filing a final tax return for the deceased (Form 1040) and potentially Form 1041 if there's an estate. The SSA-1099 Box 4 repayment should be reported on the decedent's final return.

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That's a good point about workers comp. My sister had the same issue a few years ago - she was getting disability and workers comp, and SS didn't adjust properly until months later, creating a big Box 4 amount.

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Exactly! The coordination between different benefit systems isn't always perfect. The key thing to remember is that Box 4 represents amounts the SSA considers "repaid" during the year, but doesn't necessarily mean the taxpayer physically repaid that amount. Often it's offset against other benefits or withheld from current payments.

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I'm sorry for your neighbor's loss. Dealing with financial matters during grief is never easy, and it's thoughtful of you to help them prepare before meeting with your site coordinator. Based on what you've described, the substantial Box 4 repayments for both parents suggest this might be a systematic issue rather than individual overpayments. A few things to consider asking your neighbor: 1) Did either parent receive any official notices from Social Security in 2023 or early 2024 about benefit adjustments or overpayments? 2) Were there any significant life events in 2022-2023 that might have affected their benefits - large retirement account withdrawals, property sales, changes in other income sources? 3) Did either parent work while receiving benefits, even minimally? The timing is also important - if these repayments relate to the father's benefits and he just passed away, the widow may need to understand how this affects survivor benefit calculations. The SSA will need to be contacted anyway to transition her to survivor benefits, so they can clarify the Box 4 amounts at the same time. For your VITA preparation, I'd suggest gathering their 2022 and 2023 tax returns, any SSA correspondence from the past two years, and information about major financial transactions in 2022. This will give your site coordinator a complete picture to work with.

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