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Omar Mahmoud

Sold my car for $1k after paying $7k years ago - tax software says it's a gain? How is this possible?

I'm completely confused by my tax software right now. Years ago I bought a 2010 car for around $7k, and I just sold it for $1k after driving it into the ground. I put over 140k miles on it, and it was basically worthless by the end. I used it for rideshare driving for a few years, maybe 25% of all those miles were for the app. Now I'm doing my taxes and the software is treating the $1k I got from selling it as a GAIN. How is that even possible? I lost $6k on this car! When the software asks for "depreciation equivalent" I'm completely lost. Do I calculate some kind of per-mile rate? Like if I paid $7k and drove 140k miles, that's about 5 cents per mile? Do I multiply that by the 35k miles per year I drove for rideshare? Even with whatever depreciation calculation, there's no way this should count as a gain. I clearly lost almost all of my initial $7000 investment and only recovered $1000 at the end. Can someone please explain what's happening here? I feel like I'm missing something obvious.

The issue here isn't actually as complicated as it seems. Since you used the car for rideshare (business purposes), you likely claimed business deductions for that vehicle over the years, including depreciation. When you sell a business asset, even partially used for business, the IRS looks at your "adjusted basis" - not what you originally paid. If you claimed depreciation deductions over the years (which you should have as a rideshare driver), those deductions reduced your "basis" in the car. So if you originally paid $7k, but claimed $6.5k in depreciation deductions over several years, your adjusted basis would be only $500. Selling for $1k would then result in a $500 gain from the IRS perspective. The software is asking about "depreciation equivalent" to calculate this adjusted basis. You need to figure out how much depreciation you've claimed on past tax returns for this vehicle.

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Wait so if I never claimed any depreciation before (I've been using the standard mileage deduction for my rideshare), do I still have to deal with this? I thought the standard mileage rate covered everything including wear and tear on the vehicle.

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The standard mileage rate does indeed include depreciation! That's an important detail. When you use the standard mileage rate, the IRS considers that you've taken depreciation at a rate of about 26 cents per mile (the exact rate varies by year). You don't see this broken out on your tax return, but it's built into the standard mileage rate. So you still need to calculate your total "deemed depreciation" - multiply all your business miles by the depreciation portion of the standard mileage rate for each applicable tax year. This total reduces your basis in the vehicle, which is why the software is asking for that information.

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I ran into this exact same issue last year when I sold my old Camry. What worked for me was using https://taxr.ai to analyze my past returns and help calculate the correct depreciation I had taken through standard mileage. It turns out that when you use the standard mileage rate, a portion of that rate (around 22-26 cents per mile depending on the year) is considered depreciation. So the IRS assumes you've already "written off" a significant portion of your car's value through those standard mileage deductions. The tool helped me figure out exactly how many business miles I had claimed over the years and calculated my "adjusted basis" - which was actually lower than what I sold the car for, creating a taxable gain just like you're experiencing.

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Does this service actually pull your old tax returns or do you have to input everything manually? I've been driving for Uber for 4 years and don't remember all my mileage claims.

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I'm skeptical about these online tax tools. How does it handle different tax years when the depreciation portion changes? And does it consider Section 179 if you used that instead of standard mileage in some years?

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The service connects securely to your IRS transcript so it can analyze your actual filed returns - no manual entry needed for past returns. It pulled all my rideshare income and mileage deductions going back several years. For different tax years, it applies the correct depreciation rate for each specific year (like the 24 cents in 2019, 26 cents in 2020, etc.). And yes, it does handle mixed situations where you might have used Section 179 or actual expenses in some years and standard mileage in others. It flags these situations and calculates the correct adjusted basis based on your specific filing history.

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Everyone's missing a key question - how much of the vehicle was used for business? If you only used 25% for rideshare as you mentioned, then only 25% of the gain should be taxable. The other 75% would be personal use which doesn't trigger taxable gain on a personal vehicle sale (since cars are typically personal losses). Make sure you're only reporting the business portion!

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Is this actually true? I thought if you use standard mileage, you're already accounting for the exact business percentage by only claiming business miles. Wouldn't that mean the depreciation is already proportional to business use?

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You're absolutely right, and I should have been more clear. When using standard mileage, the business percentage is already factored in because you're only claiming deductions on business miles driven. What happens is that your car has two "basis" amounts - one for business portion and one for personal. The standard mileage rate depreciation only affects the business portion of your basis. So when calculating gain/loss, you do need to determine what percentage of the car was used for business over its lifetime, and only that percentage of the sale is potentially subject to recapture as ordinary income.

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The form you need is Form 4797 Part III for this situation. You'll report the business percentage of the car, the sale price, and your adjusted basis. The key is calculating that adjusted basis correctly by subtracting all the depreciation you took (or were deemed to have taken with standard mileage). The IRS Publication 463 has charts showing the depreciation portion of the standard mileage rate for each year. For example, it was 26 cents per mile in 2022, 25 cents in 2021, etc. Multiply your business miles each year by that year's rate to get your total depreciation.

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Thank you! This really helped me understand what's happening. I looked up those depreciation rates and did the math - turns out I claimed about 35k business miles over 3 years, which works out to roughly $8,750 in "depreciation" through the standard mileage rate (averaging about 25 cents/mile). No wonder the software thinks I had a gain - according to the IRS, I've already written off MORE than my original $7k purchase price through my mileage deductions. I guess that makes sense from their perspective, even though it feels weird to pay taxes on selling a car for way less than I bought it for. I'll use Form 4797 as you suggested.

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This is a perfect example of why keeping detailed records is so important for rideshare drivers! What you're experiencing is completely normal but definitely confusing the first time you encounter it. The key insight that others have mentioned is that the standard mileage rate isn't just covering gas and maintenance - it includes depreciation too. So every year you claimed those business miles, the IRS was essentially saying "okay, we'll let you deduct this amount, but we're also going to reduce what you 'own' in this car by the depreciation portion." One tip for the future: if you do rideshare driving again, consider keeping a simple spreadsheet tracking your total business miles each year and the depreciation rates. That way when you eventually sell your next vehicle, you won't be surprised by the tax implications. You can find the historical depreciation rates in IRS Publication 463. Also, remember this "gain" will likely be taxed as ordinary income (depreciation recapture) rather than capital gains, so factor that into your tax planning!

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