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Hugo Kass

Sold my business vehicle at a loss - where do I properly report this on my taxes?

I recently sold my work truck that I've been using partially for business for the last 5 years (only about 10% business usage based on my mileage logs). I'm trying to figure out how to properly report this on my taxes. Original purchase price: $24,500 Sold it for: $19,250 Total loss: $5,250 I've been using FreeTaxUSA and I'm in the Business Income Schedule C section under Vehicle Expenses. Over the 5 years I owned it, I claimed about $1,350 in depreciation using the standard mileage rate. When I entered the business portion of the sales price (approximately $1,925 which is 10% of the sale price), the software is showing I owe an additional $375 in taxes! This makes no sense to me. I took a $5,250 cash loss on this vehicle, and the total depreciation I claimed ($1,350) is way less than my actual loss. I was expecting to be able to claim a $375 business loss: ($24,500 purchase price - $1,350 depreciation - $19,250 sale price) × 10% = $375 loss. Is there another section where I need to input the $5,250 total loss so the tax software understands I didn't make any profit on this transaction? I feel like I'm missing something obvious here.

What's happening here is a bit confusing but makes sense once you understand how the IRS treats partial business use vehicles. When you sell a vehicle used partially for business, you have to account for both the business and personal portions separately. For the business portion (10%), you need to calculate the adjusted basis, which is your original cost basis for business ($24,500 × 10% = $2,450) minus the depreciation you claimed ($1,350). So your adjusted business basis is $1,100. When you sold the vehicle, the business portion of the sale price was $1,925 (10% of $19,250). Since your adjusted business basis ($1,100) is less than the business portion of the sale price ($1,925), you actually have a taxable gain of $825 on the business portion, even though you had an overall loss on the vehicle. The personal portion loss (90% of the total loss) is unfortunately considered a personal loss and is not tax-deductible. Try checking if you entered everything correctly in FreeTaxUSA, particularly the adjusted basis calculation. You might want to also look for a section called "Sale of Business Property" or Form 4797.

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That makes more sense now, but it still seems unfair! So even though I lost money overall, I'm being taxed because of how the business portion is calculated? Are there any ways to minimize this tax hit? And why is FreeTaxUSA not asking me for my adjusted basis? It only asked for the business portion of the sale price.

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Yes, it does seem counterintuitive! You're being taxed on the business portion because your depreciation deductions over the years reduced your business basis below the business portion of the sale price. To minimize the tax hit, make sure you've included all costs associated with the original purchase (sales tax, title fees, etc.) in your basis. Also double-check your business use percentage - if it was actually lower than 10%, that could help. FreeTaxUSA should have a section where you enter the adjusted basis. Look for Form 4797 (Sale of Business Property) in the software. If you can't find it, try looking under "Business Income" or "Capital Gains and Losses" sections. Sometimes tax software doesn't make it obvious where to enter this information.

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I went through this exact nightmare last year. Make sure you're using Form 4797 Part III for reporting the sale. The key thing FreeTaxUSA might not be making clear is that you need to calculate your adjusted basis correctly. Adjusted Basis = (Original Purchase Price × Business Use %) - Total Depreciation Claimed So in your case: ($24,500 × 10%) - $1,350 = $1,100 Your business portion of the sale is $1,925 (10% of $19,250), so you actually have a gain of $825 for tax purposes, even though you lost money overall. It's one of those tax situations that feels incredibly unfair but is technically correct according to tax law.

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Thanks for breaking down the math! I found the Form 4797 section in FreeTaxUSA and entered everything as you suggested. It's still showing a tax increase but at least now I understand why. The frustrating part is that I'm taking a real cash loss but still paying taxes. Is there anything else I should know about reporting vehicle sales for future reference?

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For future reference, keep meticulous records of all vehicle expenses and business use percentage. If you plan to sell a business vehicle later, you might want to consider gradually reducing the business use percentage in the years leading up to the sale, which can help minimize this type of situation. Also, if you're replacing this vehicle with another business vehicle, you might qualify for a Section 1031 like-kind exchange, which could defer the tax. This doesn't apply to your current situation, but it's something to keep in mind for the future. The tax laws around business vehicles are surprisingly complex, so it's always worth consulting with a tax professional before making major decisions about buying or selling business assets.

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Has anyone here used TaxAct instead of FreeTaxUSA for reporting a business vehicle sale? I'm having the opposite problem where I'm not seeing any tax impact from selling my business truck and I'm wondering if I'm missing something.

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I used TaxAct last year and had to manually navigate to Form 4797. It wasn't obvious at all. Look under "Income" then "Sales and Exchanges" or something similar. The interface isn't intuitive for business vehicle sales.

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I'm dealing with a similar situation and wanted to share what I learned from my tax preparer. The key issue is that when you use the standard mileage rate for depreciation, you're actually claiming more depreciation than you might realize. The standard mileage rate includes a depreciation component (currently 28 cents per mile for 2024). So if you drove 10% business miles over 5 years, you may have actually claimed more than $1,350 in depreciation - you'd need to calculate the total business miles driven and multiply by the depreciation portion of the standard mileage rate for each year. This could explain why your adjusted basis is lower than expected and why you're seeing a larger taxable gain. I'd recommend pulling your mileage logs and recalculating the total depreciation claimed using the actual depreciation component of the standard mileage rate for each year you owned the vehicle. Also, make sure you're including any additional expenses you claimed beyond the standard mileage rate (like parking, tolls, or actual expenses in any years where you didn't use the standard rate). All of these reduce your adjusted basis and could increase your taxable gain on the sale.

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This is a really common confusion with mixed-use vehicle sales! The key thing to understand is that you're dealing with two separate transactions from a tax perspective - the business portion and the personal portion. For your specific situation, here's what's happening: **Business Portion (10%):** - Original business basis: $24,500 × 10% = $2,450 - Less depreciation claimed: $1,350 - Adjusted business basis: $1,100 - Business portion of sale: $1,925 - Taxable gain: $1,925 - $1,100 = $825 **Personal Portion (90%):** - This $4,725 loss ($5,250 × 90%) is not deductible because personal losses on assets like vehicles aren't allowed under tax law. The reason FreeTaxUSA is showing additional taxes is because you have an $825 gain on the business portion that needs to be reported. Make sure you're using Form 4797 (Sale of Business Property) rather than just the vehicle expense section of Schedule C. One thing to double-check: verify that your total depreciation claimed is actually $1,350. If you used the standard mileage rate, the depreciation component varies by year and you might have claimed more than you think, which would further reduce your adjusted basis. The system is working correctly - it's just that tax law treats business and personal portions of mixed-use assets completely separately, which can lead to counterintuitive results like paying taxes on an overall loss.

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This is exactly the explanation I needed! Thank you for breaking it down so clearly. I was getting frustrated because it seemed like the tax software was wrong, but now I understand that it's actually working correctly - it's just that the tax law itself creates this counterintuitive situation. I went back and double-checked my depreciation calculation using the standard mileage rate depreciation components for each year, and you're right - I had actually claimed closer to $1,400 in depreciation over the 5 years, not $1,350. This makes my adjusted basis even lower and explains the higher taxable gain. It's really frustrating to pay taxes when I'm taking a real cash loss, but at least now I know I'm filing correctly. For anyone else reading this, definitely use Form 4797 and make sure you calculate your adjusted basis properly - don't just guess at the depreciation amount like I initially did.

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I went through this exact same situation two years ago with my business pickup truck and wanted to share some additional insights that might help. The math everyone has explained is absolutely correct, but there's one thing to double-check that could potentially help your situation: make sure you're including ALL costs in your original basis calculation. This includes not just the purchase price, but also sales tax, title fees, registration fees, and any immediate repairs or modifications you made when you first bought the vehicle for business use. For example, if you paid $1,200 in sales tax and $150 in title/registration fees when you bought the truck, your original basis would be $25,850 instead of $24,500. The business portion would then be $2,585 instead of $2,450, which could reduce your taxable gain slightly. Also, if you had any major repairs or improvements during the ownership period that extended the vehicle's life or increased its value, these might also be added to your basis (though routine maintenance cannot be). It won't eliminate the gain entirely, but every little bit helps when you're already taking a cash loss on the transaction. And definitely keep this experience in mind for future business vehicle purchases - the tax implications of mixed-use vehicles can be quite complex!

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This is such valuable advice! I completely forgot about the sales tax and fees when calculating my original basis. I went back and found my purchase documents - turns out I paid $1,400 in sales tax and about $200 in various fees, so my actual purchase basis was $26,100, not $24,500. This changes my business basis to $2,610 (10% of $26,100), and after subtracting the $1,400 in depreciation I actually claimed, my adjusted business basis is $1,210 instead of $1,100. So my taxable gain is now $715 ($1,925 - $1,210) instead of $825. It's still frustrating to owe taxes on a cash loss, but at least it's $110 less in taxable gain than I originally calculated. Thanks for reminding me to include all the purchase costs - I would have missed that completely! For anyone else dealing with this, definitely dig up your original purchase paperwork and make sure you're including everything in your cost basis calculation.

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I'm a tax preparer and see this confusion all the time with mixed-use business vehicles. Everyone's math here is correct, but I wanted to add one important point that might help with future planning. If you're regularly using vehicles for business and plan to sell them, consider whether the actual expense method might work better for you than the standard mileage rate. With actual expenses, you have more control over your depreciation deductions and can potentially time them better relative to when you plan to sell. For example, if you know you'll be selling a vehicle in a few years, you might choose to take smaller depreciation deductions in the later years to avoid this exact situation where your adjusted basis drops too low. With the standard mileage rate, you're locked into the IRS's predetermined depreciation component each year. Also, just to confirm what others have said - make absolutely sure FreeTaxUSA has you completing Form 4797 Part III for this transaction. The vehicle expense section of Schedule C is NOT the right place for reporting the sale of a business asset. The sale should be reported separately as a disposition of business property. One last tip: if you have any other business equipment sales or dispositions this year, they can all be reported on the same Form 4797, and losses on other business property might help offset this gain.

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This is really helpful advice about considering the actual expense method versus standard mileage rate! I never thought about the strategic timing of depreciation deductions. For someone like me who's new to business vehicle ownership, could you explain a bit more about how the actual expense method works? I'm planning to buy another work truck soon and want to make sure I set myself up better for when I eventually sell it. Also, you mentioned that losses on other business property might offset this gain - does that mean if I sold other business equipment at a loss this year, it could reduce the tax impact from my vehicle sale?

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