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Small 2 member LLC never filed 1065 for 10 years - what's the best approach now?

I'm trying to help a relative with their tax situation and I'm pretty worried about what I'm finding. They've been running a small 2 member LLC for about 10 years, making around $8-15K annually, but have never filed a partnership return (Form 1065) during this entire time. One of the partners is actually from Germany and has never even set foot in the US. To make matters worse, they haven't been filing their individual tax returns for most of these years either. I'm trying to figure out the best way to handle this mess without making things worse. What's the path of least resistance here? Is there any chance of penalty abatement given the circumstances and relatively small income amounts? Should they start by filing all the past returns first, then wait to see what penalty letters arrive, and then try to request abatement? Or is there a better approach to minimize the damage at this point? Really appreciate any guidance on how to tackle this complicated situation.

This is definitely a tricky situation, but there are ways to address it. The IRS does have procedures for coming back into compliance when you've fallen behind on filings. First, your relative should know that partnerships are required to file Form 1065 annually regardless of income level, with each partner receiving a Schedule K-1 showing their share of income/losses. The failure-to-file penalty for partnerships is calculated per partner per month, which can add up significantly over 10 years. The good approach would be to start filing the missing returns as soon as possible. The IRS generally looks more favorably on voluntary compliance rather than waiting to get caught. I'd recommend working backwards - file the most recent three years of partnership returns first, then address the older ones. For penalty abatement, they could try requesting "first-time abatement" relief for the earliest year if they had a clean compliance history before that. For the remaining years, they'll need to show reasonable cause for not filing - though that's harder to justify for multiple consecutive years. The foreign partner issue adds complexity but doesn't eliminate filing requirements. The LLC still needed to file those 1065s regardless of partner location.

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Thanks for the info. Would it make sense to maybe dissolve the LLC before starting to file past returns? Or would that just make things look worse? Also, does the foreign partner need to get an ITIN or something if they've never filed US taxes before?

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Dissolving the LLC before addressing past filings would likely raise red flags with the IRS and could potentially look like an attempt to evade responsibility. It's generally better to come into compliance first, then consider entity changes afterwards. Your relative's foreign partner will indeed need either a Social Security Number or an ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) for proper reporting on the partnership returns. They can apply for an ITIN using Form W-7 when filing their first required tax return. Even though they've never lived in the US, foreign partners still have US tax filing obligations on their US-source income from the partnership.

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Does it actually work with partnership returns specifically? My accountant told me there's no way to get penalties waived for 1065s since they're "non-negotiable" penalties. Did you actually get any penalty relief?

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How much documentation did you need to provide? My brother has a similar situation and literally has almost zero records for some years. Would they still be able to help or do you need complete documentation for everything?

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Don't listen to some of these answers. Just dissolve the LLC and move on. With income that low, the IRS isn't going to waste resources chasing your friend down. The penalties are technically $195 per partner per month up to 12 months each year... do the math. But they're unlikely to go after such a small fish. If they do get notices, then deal with it, but why create work for yourself?

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But wouldn't dissolving it now look suspicious? I'm worried that might trigger some kind of audit or review. Also, don't they still owe the taxes even if the LLC is gone?

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Dissolving it isn't suspicious - small businesses close down all the time. And with income that low, the actual tax owed is probably minimal. The real issue is the filing penalties, not taxes. But again, for such small amounts, it's not worth the IRS's time to pursue. They're focused on bigger fish. The taxes technically still exist, but the partnership itself doesn't actually pay taxes - it just passes income to the partners. If the amounts were really only $5-10K per year split between two people, we're talking about very small individual tax liabilities that might even be below filing thresholds.

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Just a practical observation - I think people are overlooking the fact that one partner is a foreign national who's never even been to the US. That's a much bigger complication than just the unfiled 1065s.

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Exactly! The foreign partner needs to deal with Form 8805 for their share of effectively connected income and possibly NRA withholding requirements. The LLC might have had withholding obligations they weren't meeting.

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This is a complex situation that requires careful handling. Given the 10-year gap and foreign partner involvement, I'd strongly recommend against the "dissolve and ignore" approach - that could actually make things much worse if the IRS eventually catches up. The foreign partner issue is particularly important here. Even though they've never been to the US, they likely had US tax filing obligations for their share of the partnership income. The partnership should have been withholding taxes on the foreign partner's behalf and filing Form 8805 annually. This missing withholding could create additional compliance issues beyond just the unfiled 1065s. My suggestion would be to start with the most recent 3 years of partnership returns and work backwards. File Form 1065 for each year and ensure the foreign partner gets an ITIN and files their required US returns. The voluntary compliance approach typically works better than waiting for the IRS to find you. For penalty abatement, focus on any reasonable cause circumstances - were there health issues, natural disasters, or other qualifying events during this period? The low income amounts might help with demonstrating that this wasn't willful tax evasion. Consider consulting with a tax professional who has experience with international partnerships, as the foreign partner requirements add significant complexity to an already challenging situation.

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This is really helpful insight about the foreign partner complications - I hadn't even thought about Form 8805 and withholding requirements. That definitely makes the "ignore it" approach seem much riskier. Quick question though - if the foreign partner gets an ITIN now and starts filing, won't that immediately flag to the IRS that they've been missing for 10 years? Or is it still better to do voluntary compliance even knowing it might draw attention to the situation? Also, do you happen to know if there are any treaties between the US and Germany that might affect the tax obligations here? I'm wondering if that could provide any relief or create additional complications.

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