Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures for US expat with partial ownership in foreign corporation - potential Form 5471 Penalties?
Hey everyone, I need some advice regarding my American spouse who's been living in Germany for the past decade and has never filed a US tax return. She's never actually lived in the States as an adult. The complication is that she owns 45% of my small German GmbH (limited company) that barely generates €2,500-3,500 annually. She's been paid roughly €1,200 per year for about 5 years for minimal admin work. I'm not a US citizen and support us through my regular job. We're planning to get compliant using the Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures, but I just discovered we'll need to file Form 5471 because of her ownership stake in a "foreign corporation." What's freaking me out is that failing to file Form 5471 apparently comes with a $10,000 automatic penalty PER YEAR - potentially $50,000 for the 5 years we've missed! Is there any way to avoid these penalties through the Streamlined procedures? This tiny business was just a side project to sell handmade crafts online that never really took off. We had zero knowledge about Form 5471 requirements until yesterday. How bad is our situation? Can the Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures help with the Form 5471 requirements too?
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Dylan Mitchell
The good news is that the Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures are designed specifically for situations like yours, where there's been non-willful non-compliance. When properly filed, these procedures can indeed provide relief from penalties associated with Form 5471. The Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures require filing the last 3 years of tax returns and 6 years of FBARs (if applicable), along with a certification that the failure to file was non-willful. The key advantage is that it waives all penalties if you qualify and properly complete the process. For your Form 5471 situation, you'll need to include these forms with your streamlined submission for the three tax years you're filing. The important thing is that your wife will need to certify that her failure to file was non-willful (which sounds accurate based on your description). Since your business generates minimal income, the actual tax impact should be small, but getting the forms right is crucial. The $10,000 penalty is generally waived when using the Streamlined procedures correctly.
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Sofia Gutierrez
•Thanks for your response, but I've heard mixed things about whether Form 5471 penalties are actually included in the Streamlined program waiver. Some accountants told me they're separate penalties. Do you have any specific experience with this exact situation? Also, does it matter that it's been 5 years but the Streamlined only covers 3 years?
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Dylan Mitchell
•The Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures do generally cover international information return penalties, including those for Form 5471, when the non-compliance was non-willful. The IRS specifically designed these procedures to encourage people to come into compliance without facing crushing penalties. Regarding the 5 years versus 3 years question, the Streamlined procedures only require you to file the most recent 3 years of delinquent tax returns. You don't need to go back further than that, even if you've been non-compliant for longer. The program is specifically structured this way to make compliance manageable.
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Dmitry Petrov
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StarSurfer
•Did they actually do the filing for you or just give you guidance? I'm in a similar boat with a Canadian corporation and I'm freaking out about penalties. Did you end up paying any penalties at all after using this service?
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Ava Martinez
•I'm a bit skeptical about these services. How confident were you that the advice was correct? I've heard horror stories about people getting bad advice and then still facing penalties. Did you confirm their recommendations with a tax professional too?
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Dmitry Petrov
•They didn't file for me, but they analyzed all my documents and provided detailed guidance on exactly what forms I needed and how to complete them correctly. Their analysis helped me understand which years I actually exceeded the filing thresholds and which specific Form 5471 schedules applied to my situation. I didn't pay any penalties at all. The Streamlined procedures worked exactly as intended once I had everything properly documented and filed. Their analysis gave me confidence that I was completing everything correctly, especially the statement of non-willful conduct which is crucial for the Streamlined program to work properly.
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StarSurfer
Just wanted to update after taking the recommendation to try taxr.ai - it was actually incredibly helpful for my similar situation with Form 5471 and Streamlined procedures. Their analysis confirmed that I qualified for the program and they flagged several issues I would have missed about the specific ownership category for Form 5471 and how it applied to my situation. The most valuable part was getting clarity on whether my non-filing was truly "non-willful" according to IRS standards. They helped me understand exactly how to document my situation and what supporting evidence was needed. I'm now in the process of preparing my submission with much more confidence. Worth checking out if you're in this situation!
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Miguel Castro
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Zainab Abdulrahman
•How does that even work? Seems sketchy that some service could somehow get you to the front of the IRS phone line when the rest of us are waiting for hours. Did you have to give them any personal info?
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Connor Byrne
•That seems too good to be true. I've been trying to reach the IRS for months about my FBAR penalties. Did they actually provide useful information? In my experience, most IRS agents aren't specialists in international tax issues and give generic or sometimes incorrect advice.
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Miguel Castro
•It's not about getting to the front of the line - they basically wait on hold for you using some kind of system that monitors the hold queue. When an agent is about to pick up, they connect the call to your phone. No cutting in line, just saving you from having to personally sit on hold for hours. I only needed to provide my phone number so they could call me when an agent was ready. No sensitive tax info required. The IRS agent I spoke with was from their international tax department and was quite knowledgeable about Streamlined procedures and Form 5471. She confirmed that properly filed Streamlined submissions should have all penalties waived, including international information return penalties, as long as the non-compliance was truly non-willful.
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Connor Byrne
Following up on my skepticism about Claimyr - I actually tried it a few days ago out of desperation, and I have to admit it worked exactly as described. After months of failing to reach the IRS international department, they got me through in about 45 minutes. The IRS agent I spoke with confirmed that Form 5471 penalties are indeed covered under the Streamlined procedures' penalty waiver, which was a huge relief. She explained that the key is properly documenting the non-willful nature of the non-compliance in your certification statement. She even emailed me some helpful publications about foreign corporation reporting requirements. I'm shocked that it worked so well after all my failed attempts. Sometimes it's worth trying these services when you're stuck!
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Yara Elias
A few important technical points about Form 5471 and Streamlined procedures that haven't been mentioned: 1. The category of filer matters a lot. Based on your wife's 40% ownership, she's likely a Category 5 filer (10%+ ownership in a foreign corporation). Different categories have different filing requirements. 2. The Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures do cover penalty relief for international information returns like Form 5471 when the failure to file was non-willful. However, your non-willful statement needs to specifically address why you didn't know about these requirements. 3. The $10,000 penalty is per form, per year - but it's generally not automatically applied, especially for small businesses with minimal activity. 4. Consider whether you also need to file FBARs if you have signature authority over business accounts.
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Fatima Al-Maktoum
•Thank you for this breakdown! One question - how detailed does the non-willful statement need to be specifically about Form 5471? Should we just generally say we didn't know about US filing requirements as an expat, or specifically mention we didn't know about foreign corporation ownership reporting?
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Yara Elias
•Your non-willful statement should be specific about Form 5471. Don't just make a general statement about being unaware of US filing requirements - address why you didn't know about the specific requirement to report foreign corporation ownership. For example, explain that you formed the company for a small side business, had minimal profits, and had no knowledge of the complex international reporting requirements for US citizens with foreign business interests. Make sure to explain your wife's background (never lived in the US as an adult), how you learned about the requirement, and the steps you're taking to become compliant once you discovered it. The more specific you are about the Form 5471 requirements, the more convincing your non-willful claim will be.
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QuantumQuasar
Has anyone actually gone through an audit after using Streamlined procedures for Form 5471 issues? I'm curious about real outcomes, not just the theoretical process. I'm in a similar situation but with a South African company.
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Keisha Jackson
•I went through the Streamlined program in 2019 for my German GmbH where I failed to file Form 5471 for 4 years. Properly documented everything, filed all 3 years of returns with the required 5471s, and submitted a detailed statement explaining my non-willful failure. Never got audited or questioned. Just received confirmation that my submission was accepted. Zero penalties. The key is being thorough and honest in your documentation.
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