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Need help with Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures and Form 5471 penalty avoidance?

Hey tax friends, My brother is a US citizen who's been living in Australia since graduating college. He's never filed a US tax return since he moved there about 6 years ago. He didn't think he needed to since all his income was Australian. The only income he's had is through his involvement with my small Australian PTY LTD company where he owns 45% of shares. The company barely makes AUD 3500-4500 annually, and he's only been paid about AUD 1200 per year for the last 6 years. I'm not a US citizen and have a regular 9-5 job which is our main household income. We recently learned about tax obligations for US citizens abroad and thought we should get him compliant through the Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures. BUT I just discovered that because he technically has ownership in a "foreign corporation" from the US perspective, he needs to file Form 5471. I'm freaking out because I read that not filing Form 5471 comes with an automatic $10,000 penalty PER YEAR! That could be $60,000 in penalties for our tiny side business that barely makes any money! Is there any way to get these penalties waived as part of the Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures? We created this company just to sell some handmade crafts online and had absolutely no clue about Form 5471 until yesterday. How bad is this situation? Can we somehow include the 5471 forms with the streamlined procedures to avoid these massive penalties?

The good news is that the Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures (SFOP) are specifically designed for situations like your brother's. The program allows taxpayers living abroad who have failed to file US tax returns or FBARs due to non-willful conduct to become compliant without facing penalties. Regarding the Form 5471 issue - yes, those penalties are serious on paper, but here's what you should know: The SFOP generally provides relief from penalties related to failure to file information returns, including Form 5471. When you properly complete the streamlined filing, you typically submit Form 14653 (Certification by U.S. Person Residing Outside of the U.S.) explaining that the failures were non-willful, which should cover the Form 5471 penalties. For the streamlined process, your brother would need to file tax returns for the last 3 years and FBARs for the last 6 years, along with any required information returns like Form 5471. He'll need to include a detailed statement explaining his reasonable cause for not filing previously.

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Thanks for the info! Do you know if he needs to file the Form 5471 for all 6 years or just the 3 years covered by the streamlined procedures? And how detailed does the statement need to be to show "non-willful" conduct?

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He would only need to file Form 5471 for the 3 tax years covered under the streamlined procedures, not all 6 years. For the non-willful statement, it should be thorough and specific to his situation. He should explain that he was unaware of his US filing obligations while living abroad, didn't realize his ownership in the Australian company triggered Form 5471 requirements, and is now taking proactive steps to become compliant as soon as he learned about these obligations. The statement should cover factors like his limited connections to the US, lack of previous tax filing experience, and any other circumstances that contributed to his non-compliance.

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One important thing no one's mentioned - your brother should consider whether he qualifies as having an interest in a Controlled Foreign Corporation (CFC), which has additional reporting requirements beyond just Form 5471. Since he owns 45% and you (a non-US person) own the rest, it matters whether you're related persons under the tax code. I went through this last year with my sister's Australian business. Make sure to determine if the company meets the definition of a CFC, as this affects which schedules of Form 5471 must be completed and whether Subpart F income or GILTI needs to be reported.

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Thanks for bringing this up! I hadn't even considered the CFC angle. Would my brother and I be considered "related persons" if we're siblings? And if it is classified as a CFC, does that make the penalties even worse?

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Yes, siblings are considered "related persons" under the tax code for purposes of determining CFC status. Since you collectively own 100% of the company, and your brother owns more than 10% as a US person, the company would likely be classified as a CFC. This classification doesn't necessarily make the penalties worse, but it does add complexity to the reporting requirements. As a CFC, your brother would need to complete additional schedules on Form 5471 and potentially report his share of Subpart F income or GILTI (Global Intangible Low-Taxed Income), even if no distributions were made from the company. However, given the small income of the company, these amounts might be minimal or zero after applying various deductions and exclusions. The streamlined procedures would still cover penalty relief for these additional reporting requirements as long as the non-compliance was non-willful.

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My wife was in almost the exact same situation with her German GmbH! We submitted through the Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures last year with multiple missed Form 5471s. Our non-willful statement explained that we simply had no idea about the filing requirements as she had never lived in the US as an adult. The good news: No penalties were assessed! We received acceptance of our streamlined submission about 4 months after filing. Make sure you're thorough with the Form 5471s though - they're incredibly complex. We ended up hiring a specialist for just those forms while doing the rest ourselves.

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Did you have to pay any taxes on the foreign company earnings even though they were small? I'm worried about getting hit with a bunch of back taxes plus interest.

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This is a very manageable situation! I handled a nearly identical case with my Canadian corporation last year. The key points everyone has covered are correct - the Streamlined Foreign Offshore Procedures are designed exactly for situations like your brother's. A few practical tips from my experience: 1. **Document everything**: Keep detailed records of the company's financials, your brother's ownership percentage, and any payments he received. The IRS will want to see the complete picture. 2. **Foreign Tax Credit**: Since your brother likely paid Australian taxes on his share of the company income, he can claim foreign tax credits to offset most or all of his US tax liability. With such small amounts (AUD 1200/year), his actual US tax burden will probably be minimal or zero. 3. **Timeline**: Start gathering documents now. The Form 5471 requires detailed financial information about the company for each year, including balance sheets and profit/loss statements. This takes time to compile properly. 4. **Professional help**: While the streamlined procedures are straightforward for basic returns, Form 5471 is notoriously complex. Consider getting professional help just for those forms while handling the rest yourself. The penalty relief under SFOP is very reliable for genuine non-willful cases like this. Your brother's situation - living abroad, small family business, no knowledge of US filing requirements - is exactly what the program was designed to address.

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