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Ava Martinez

Should I file taxes separately or joint when spouse is a med student with no income?

Hey everyone! First-timer here filing as married and I'm a bit lost on what's the best approach. My situation is that I work full time while my wife is in med school with essentially zero income but has some pretty substantial student loans. I have a couple questions before I dive in and try both filing options: 1. If we file married jointly, do I just handle all the taxes myself and my wife doesn't need to do anything on her end? 2. In your experience, is the tax return typically better when filing separately or jointly? Especially in a situation like ours where one spouse has all the income and the other has big student loans but no income. Thanks in advance for any insights! Just trying to make the smartest choice for our first married tax season.

Miguel Ortiz

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In your situation with one income and a spouse in med school, filing jointly is almost certainly going to be better. When you file jointly, you're right - only one tax return needs to be prepared that includes both of your information, so your wife wouldn't need to file separately. As for which gives a better return, joint filing typically benefits couples where one person earns significantly more than the other (or when one has no income, like in your case). By filing jointly, you'll get a larger standard deduction than filing separately, and you'll likely qualify for more credits and deductions that have income limitations. The tax brackets for married filing jointly are also generally more favorable than married filing separately. The student loan situation gets a bit tricky. If they're federal loans on an income-driven repayment plan, filing separately might sometimes lower her payments since they'd be based only on her income (zero). But the tax savings from filing jointly often outweigh the student loan payment difference.

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Zainab Omar

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If they're thinking about student loan forgiveness though, wouldn't filing separately be better to keep those payments low for PSLF? That's what my brother and his wife do since she's a resident working toward loan forgiveness.

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Miguel Ortiz

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You raise an excellent point about Public Service Loan Forgiveness (PSLF). If your wife is planning to pursue PSLF after medical school, then filing separately might be worth considering despite the tax disadvantages. For income-driven repayment plans, filing separately would indeed keep her payments lower since they'd be based only on her income (zero) rather than your combined income. This could be significant over the long term if she's working toward the required 120 qualifying payments for PSLF. The lower payments during medical school and residency, multiplied over several years, might outweigh the immediate tax benefits of filing jointly.

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Did the tool also look at how filing status affects student loan repayment? My wife has massive med school debt and we're trying to keep her payments low during residency.

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Oliver Schulz

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One thing to consider that nobody has mentioned - if you file jointly, you're both liable for the tax return. This means if there are any errors, both of you are responsible. Though in your situation with fairly straightforward income on your side and nothing on hers, this probably isn't a big concern. Also, have you checked if your wife has any educational tax credits available? American Opportunity Credit or Lifetime Learning Credit? Those can be claimed when filing jointly and might give you additional benefits.

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Ava Martinez

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That's a good point about joint liability that I hadn't considered! Our situation is pretty straightforward, but definitely something to keep in mind. I actually didn't think about education credits! She's in her third year of med school, so I'm not sure if those would still apply at this point in her education. Do you know if grad/professional students can still claim those?

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Oliver Schulz

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She may be eligible for the Lifetime Learning Credit, which has no limit on the number of years you can claim it, unlike the American Opportunity Credit which is only for the first 4 years of post-secondary education. The Lifetime Learning Credit is worth up to $2,000 per tax return (20% of the first $10,000 in qualified education expenses). Med school tuition and required fees would count as qualified expenses. There are income limits, but they're fairly high for married filing jointly (starts phasing out at $160,000 and fully phases out at $180,000 for 2024). This is actually another good reason to file jointly since the income limits are lower for married filing separately.

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Has your wife filled out a W-4 for any employer? Even if she doesn't have income now, if she works during residency, your joint income might push you into a higher tax bracket. My husband and I got hit with a big tax bill our first year filing jointly because we didn't adjust our withholding to account for our combined income.

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This happened to us too! We were both working but at different income levels, and we got absolutely wrecked with a surprise $4k tax bill because our withholdings weren't set correctly. Definitely check those W-4s carefully!

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Great question, and congrats on your first married tax season! I went through this exact situation a few years ago when my spouse was finishing up pharmacy school. A few additional considerations that might help your decision: 1. **State taxes matter too** - Some states have different rules for married filing separately vs. jointly, so make sure to factor in your state tax situation as well. 2. **Future planning** - Think about what happens when your wife starts residency. Most residents make around $50-60k, which isn't huge, but it will change your tax picture. You might want to run projections for the next few years to see if your optimal strategy changes. 3. **Student loan interest deduction** - Don't forget you can potentially deduct up to $2,500 in student loan interest paid during the year. This deduction phases out at higher income levels, but for married filing jointly, the phase-out starts at $155,000. 4. **Emergency fund planning** - Whatever you save on taxes, consider putting some of it aside for the transition period when your wife finishes school. That gap between graduation and starting residency can be financially tight. The consensus here seems to be that filing jointly will likely save you more in taxes, but definitely run the numbers both ways to be sure. The tools others mentioned sound helpful for getting a complete picture of your situation.

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This is such helpful advice! The point about state taxes is something I completely overlooked. We're in California, so I'll definitely need to research how our state handles married filing status differently. The future planning aspect is really smart too. I hadn't thought about running projections for when she starts residency, but that makes total sense since her income will jump from zero to around $55k. That could definitely change our optimal strategy. Thanks for the reminder about the student loan interest deduction! With her loans being pretty substantial, we'll definitely be hitting that $2,500 limit. Good to know the phase-out thresholds for joint filing. The emergency fund suggestion is spot on too - I know that transition period between med school and residency can be financially stressful. Putting some of our tax savings aside for that makes a lot of sense.

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Natasha Petrova

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the potential impact on your wife's financial aid eligibility for future years. If she's receiving any need-based aid or loans, filing jointly could affect her Expected Family Contribution (EFC) calculations since they'll now include your income when determining financial need. However, since she's already in med school and likely has her financing figured out, this might not be a major concern. But it's worth checking with her school's financial aid office if she's expecting any additional aid in her final years. Also, regarding the PSLF discussion - if your wife is planning to go into a qualifying field (many medical specialties do qualify), it might be worth consulting with a financial advisor who specializes in medical professionals. They often have specific expertise in optimizing the interplay between filing status, loan repayment strategies, and long-term financial planning for medical careers. The decision you make now could have implications for years to come, especially given the earning potential difference between residency and attending physician salaries.

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Logan Scott

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This is a really important point about financial aid that I hadn't considered! Even though she's already in med school, some students do take out additional loans in their final years or apply for emergency aid if unexpected expenses come up. The suggestion about consulting with a financial advisor who specializes in medical professionals is excellent. Medical careers have such unique financial trajectories - going from high debt and low/no income during training to potentially high income later - that general financial advice might not capture all the nuances. I'm curious though - do you happen to know if there are specific financial advisors who focus on medical professionals, or is this something we'd need to search for? It seems like the kind of specialized knowledge that would be really valuable for our long-term planning, especially with the PSLF considerations and the dramatic income changes that are coming in the next few years.

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