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Partnership 1065 Reporting Error: Rental Income Incorrectly Classified as Ordinary Income Subject to Self-Employment Tax

I've got a situation with a potential client that I'm pretty sure involves incorrect tax treatment. I have two partnerships with identical ownership structure (50/50 partners, not married to each other). One partnership is an operating company that rents property from the second partnership. The second partnership collects rental income both from the related operating partnership and from completely unrelated third parties. Here's where it gets weird - their current tax preparer has been reporting ALL rental income as ordinary income on page 1 of Form 1065, making it subject to self-employment tax. This seems completely wrong to me. Shouldn't rental income be classified as rental activity income rather than ordinary business income subject to SE tax? I'm pretty confident this is incorrect, but wanted to check if there's something I'm missing. Also wondering: 1. Can we amend prior year returns to reclassify this income correctly as rental income (not subject to SE tax)? 2. What happens with prior year losses? About 2 years ago they showed a loss and treated it as an ordinary loss (not passive) since it was reported on page 1 of the 1065. Any insights would be appreciated before I tell them their current preparer has been doing this wrong!

You're absolutely right to question this treatment. Rental income from real property is typically not subject to self-employment tax, even in a partnership context. This is clear in the tax code. The rental income should be reported on Schedule K of Form 1065 as rental real estate income, not as ordinary business income on page 1. This applies to both the self-rental portion and the third-party rentals. Self-rental income might have some special considerations due to the related party aspect, but it's still rental income at its core. As for your questions: Yes, you can generally amend prior year returns using Form 1065X to correctly classify the income, which would likely result in reduced SE tax for the partners. The statute of limitations for this is typically 3 years from the filing date. Regarding the loss from 2 years ago, this is trickier. If they incorrectly took an ordinary loss instead of a passive loss, reclassifying might trigger passive activity loss limitations. You'd need to analyze whether the partners materially participated in the rental activity to determine if the losses were properly deductible.

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Thanks for confirming what I thought. Quick follow-up question - does the self-rental rule under Section 469 affect this at all? I know it can recharacterize rental income as nonpassive in certain scenarios, but I don't think it makes it subject to SE tax, right? Also, any idea if there's a specific form or statement needed when amending to explain the reclassification?

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The self-rental rule in Section 469 affects the passive vs. nonpassive treatment of the income, but it doesn't convert rental income to self-employment income. The rule prevents taxpayers from generating passive income from one activity while taking active losses from another related activity, but rental income remains rental income regardless - just potentially nonpassive for passive activity loss limitation purposes. For the amendment, use Form 1065X and include a detailed statement explaining the reclassification. I'd recommend a thorough explanation of why the original classification was incorrect and cite the relevant tax authorities (possibly Rev. Rul. 91-38 or Reg. 1.1402(a)-4). Documentation is key since you're changing something that directly affects the partners' personal tax liability.

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Did it actually work with partnership returns and complex entity relationships? I'm dealing with multiple flow-through entities and wondering if the system can handle more complex arrangements like tiered partnerships and self-rentals. How detailed was their analysis?

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I'm a bit skeptical about AI tax tools. Did you still need to consult with an actual tax professional afterward? Also, how did it handle the amended return situation - did it just tell you what was wrong or did it help with the actual amendment process?

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It definitely handled my partnership returns with no problem. The analysis recognized the relationship between the entities and clearly explained how self-rental rules apply in partnership contexts. It identified specific line items on the 1065 that needed correction and explained the proper allocation between ordinary business income and rental real estate income. For your question about the amendment process, it provided me with detailed guidance on filing Form 1065X, including what supporting documentation to include and how to explain the changes. It didn't file the amendment for me, but it gave me all the information I needed to handle it correctly, including citations to the relevant tax regulations that I included in my explanation to the IRS.

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Just wanted to follow up about my experience with https://taxr.ai after being skeptical. I uploaded my partnership docs with a similar rental income issue, and I was honestly surprised by how thorough the analysis was. The system immediately identified that our rental income was incorrectly reported on page 1 of Form 1065 instead of Schedule K. What I found most valuable was the explanation of how self-rental rules affect passive activity treatment WITHOUT making the income subject to self-employment tax. They provided specific citations to Treasury Reg. 1.1402(a)-4(a) showing that rental real estate income is excluded from SE tax regardless of related party status. Used their guidance to amend two years of returns and just got confirmation that the amendments were accepted. Partners are getting refunds of overpaid SE tax - definitely worth checking out if you're dealing with partnership rental issues!

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The partnership rental income issue reminds me of my nightmare trying to get through to the IRS about a similar problem last year. After weeks of trying, I finally used https://claimyr.com to get through to an IRS agent directly. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c They managed to connect me with someone in the business division who actually understood partnership rental income classification. The agent confirmed that rental income - even between related partnerships - should not be subject to SE tax and helped me understand exactly how to file the amended returns. Instead of waiting 2+ hours on hold like I had been, I got a call back from an IRS agent within 45 minutes. Completely changed how I handle these complex partnership issues now.

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How exactly does this work? Do they just wait on hold for you or something? And how did you get directed to someone who actually knew about partnership tax issues instead of a general agent?

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Sounds like a scam tbh. The IRS doesn't prioritize calls from third parties. I've never heard of anyone being able to "skip the line" to talk to a specialized IRS agent. You probably just talked to a regular agent who happened to know about partnerships.

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They use a system that holds your place in the IRS phone queue and calls you when an agent picks up. It's not actually skipping the line - you still wait your normal turn, but you don't have to personally sit there listening to hold music for hours. Getting to the right department was actually pretty straightforward. Once I was connected, I specifically asked for someone familiar with partnership tax issues related to rental income classification. I was transferred to a business tax specialist who was able to answer my specific questions about Form 1065 reporting for rental partnerships and confirm that rental income shouldn't be subject to SE tax even in related-party scenarios.

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I need to admit I was completely wrong about Claimyr being a scam. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try it myself since I was getting nowhere with a similar partnership issue. Within 30 minutes of using the service, I was talking to an IRS representative who specialized in business entities. They confirmed everything that was mentioned earlier in this thread - rental income should not be subject to self-employment tax even between related partnerships, and they walked me through the exact amendment process. The agent even emailed me the relevant sections of the Internal Revenue Manual that address this specific situation. Saved me at least 10 hours of research and hold time. Sometimes being proven wrong is actually pretty great!

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I've prepared partnership returns for 15+ years and can confirm what others have said - rental income should NOT be subject to SE tax, regardless of who's paying the rent. The current preparer is making a fundamental error. One thing to watch for: If there are services being provided along with the rental (like property management), that portion could potentially be ordinary business income. Make sure you're separating pure rental income from any service income when you reclassify.

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What about the prior year loss issue? If they reclassify prior years, won't that potentially create passive loss limitations that weren't applied before? Could that actually hurt the partners if they didn't have other passive income in those years?

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You raise a valid concern. Reclassifying prior year income/losses from ordinary to rental could trigger passive activity loss limitations that weren't previously applied. If the partners didn't have sufficient passive income from other sources, some losses that were previously deducted might be suspended. This requires a careful analysis of the partners' entire tax situation for those years. The self-rental rule might actually help here - if the rental partnership leases to a business in which the partners materially participate, the rental income might be treated as nonpassive under the self-rental recharacterization rules, which could allow the losses to remain deductible. It's definitely worth running the numbers both ways before amending.

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Has anyone dealt with a situation where the partnership owned both a business and rental properties in the same entity? We have a partnership that has both an operating business and owns the building they operate from. Currently showing all income on page 1, but reading this thread makes me think we need to split it up.

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You absolutely need to separate those activities. The rental portion should be reported separately from the operating business. There are several ways to handle this, but the simplest is probably to report the business operations on page 1 and the rental activity on Schedule K and the appropriate rental real estate income lines. This ensures the rental income isn't subject to SE tax.

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