Partnership 1065 showing rental income incorrectly as ordinary income subject to self-employment tax
I'm working with two client partnerships (50/50 ownership split, not married) where one partnership rents property to the other. Both have identical ownership structures. I'm looking at their tax returns and noticed something weird. The partnership that collects rent (from both the related partnership and from unrelated third parties) is showing ALL rental income as ordinary income on page 1 of Form 1065, making it subject to self-employment tax. This seems completely wrong to me. Shouldn't all this rental income be classified as rental income rather than ordinary income? Rental activities are generally long-term and shouldn't be considered short-term business operations subject to SE tax. A few questions: 1. Am I missing something here? Is there any scenario where rental income would legitimately be reported as ordinary income subject to SE tax on a 1065? 2. Can we amend their previous returns to reclassify this income correctly as rental income not subject to SE tax? Would save them a bunch on self-employment taxes. 3. What about if they showed a loss 2 years ago? Since they reported it as ordinary income on page 1, they took an ordinary loss instead of a passive loss. How would that factor into amendments? Thanks for any insights. I'm pretty sure the current preparer has this completely wrong but want to make sure before I tell the clients.
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Josef Tearle
You're absolutely right to question this. Rental real estate income is generally not subject to self-employment tax, even in a partnership context. It should be reported as rental income on Form 8825 which flows to page 1 of Form 1065, but is properly classified as rental real estate income, not as ordinary business income. The only exceptions would be if: 1) The rental activity qualifies as a "hotel" with substantial services provided to tenants, or 2) The partnership is in the real estate business and the partners materially participate as real estate professionals. To your specific questions: 1. Based on what you've described, this appears incorrect. Rental income between related entities is still rental income. 2. Yes, you can absolutely amend prior year returns using Form 1065X. The statute of limitations for amending is generally 3 years from the filing date. 3. That's a bit trickier. If they previously claimed ordinary losses, reclassifying to passive rental losses might trigger passive activity loss limitations that weren't previously applied. You'll need to determine if the partners materially participated in the rental activity under the passive activity rules.
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Shelby Bauman
•What if the operating company is using the building for business purposes? Does that change anything about how the rental income should be classified? I thought there was something about self-rentals being treated differently.
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Josef Tearle
•Self-rentals (rentals between related parties) do have special rules, but they don't convert rental income to ordinary income subject to self-employment tax. Rather, they create what's called "net income recharacterization" under the passive activity rules. When property is rented to a business in which the taxpayer materially participates, any net rental income must be treated as nonpassive income, while losses remain passive. This prevents taxpayers from creating passive income to offset other passive losses. But this recharacterization doesn't make the rental income subject to self-employment tax - it remains rental real estate income, just nonpassive rental income.
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Simon White
One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you look at the impact of Section 199A when reclassifying the income. If they've been taking the 20% QBI deduction on this incorrectly classified income, reclassifying to rental might affect that deduction depending on whether the rental qualifies as a Section 162 trade or business. Also check if the clients have enough basis to claim the losses if you reclassify prior year returns. If they've been taking ordinary losses, they might not have been subject to basis limitations that would apply to passive losses.
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Charity Cohan
•Great points about 199A implications. Would rental income between related entities potentially qualify for the safe harbor under Notice 2019-07? Since it's a self-rental situation, would the Revenue Procedure help establish the rental as a trade or business for 199A purposes?
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Simon White
•Yes, for 199A purposes, Rev. Proc. 2019-38 (which formalized Notice 2019-07) provides a safe harbor for rental real estate to be treated as a trade or business. One of the specific provisions actually addresses your situation - rentals between commonly controlled entities can qualify for the safe harbor. Even better, there's a specific self-rental rule in Reg. 1.199A-1(b)(14) that says rental activity to a commonly controlled trade or business is automatically treated as a trade or business for 199A purposes. So they should still get the QBI deduction after reclassification, assuming they meet all other requirements.
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Hugo Kass
Does anyone have experience with how this affects state returns? I'm in California and dealing with a similar situation. Would reclassifying from ordinary income to rental income on the federal flow through correctly to CA Form 565?
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Josef Tearle
•For California, the reclassification should flow through since CA Form 565 generally follows federal characterization of income. However, California has its own passive activity rules that can sometimes differ from federal. One thing to watch for: California suspended NOL deductions during some recent tax years, so if your reclassification creates passive losses in prior years, check if those years were affected by the NOL suspension. Also, the self-employment tax savings won't have a direct state tax impact since CA doesn't have an equivalent to SE tax, but the income characterization will still matter for passive activity purposes.
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Oliver Brown
This is a great discussion on rental income classification. I want to add a practical tip that might help with documentation when you amend these returns. When I've dealt with similar partnership rental misclassifications, I always prepare a detailed memo explaining the correction that gets attached to the amended return. I include citations to IRC Section 1402(a)(1) which specifically excludes rental income from self-employment tax, and Reg. 1.1402(a)-4 which clarifies that real estate rentals are not considered carrying on a trade or business for SE tax purposes. For the self-rental aspect, I also cite Reg. 1.469-2(f)(6) to show that while the income may be recharacterized as non-passive under the self-rental rules, it's still rental real estate income exempt from SE tax. This documentation has been helpful when dealing with IRS inquiries on amended returns. One more thing to consider - if your clients have been overpaying SE tax for multiple years, make sure you calculate the interest the IRS will owe them on the refunds. For substantial amounts, that interest can add up to a meaningful sum that clients appreciate knowing about upfront.
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PixelPrincess
•This is really helpful documentation advice! I'm new to dealing with partnership amendments and wondering - when you prepare these memos, do you typically file them as a rider to Form 1065X or include them as supporting documentation? Also, have you found that providing the regulatory citations upfront helps speed up IRS processing of the refund, or does it not make much difference in their review timeline? I'm dealing with a similar situation where my clients have been overpaying SE tax on rental income for three years, so the refund amount is pretty substantial. Any tips on how to present this to clients in a way that doesn't make them lose confidence in their previous preparer while still explaining the error?
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