Need help with Form 8919 as a tipped restaurant worker - tax filing question
I need some tax advice about Form 8919. I'm working at a local steakhouse where I only get paid $2.89 per hour plus tips. After they take out my health and dental insurance from my hourly pay, there's basically nothing left for tax withholding. My W-2 for 2023 shows zero withholding for federal income tax, state tax, social security, or Medicare. I'm trying to figure out if Form 8919 (Uncollected Social Security and Medicare Tax on Wages) is what I need to use when filing my taxes this year. From what I can tell, this form seems to be mainly for people who are misclassified as independent contractors, but that's not my situation at all - I'm definitely an employee. The form mentions filing a Form SS-8 for the IRS to determine my employment status, but there's no question about my status. And none of the reason codes on Form 8919 seem to match my situation. I'm confused about how to handle the social security and Medicare taxes that weren't withheld from my paychecks. Any guidance would be super appreciated!
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Mateo Sanchez
The Form 8919 isn't the right form for your situation. Since you're clearly an employee (receiving a W-2), Form 8919 is designed for workers who believe they've been misclassified as independent contractors but should be employees. For tipped employees in the food service industry, your situation is actually quite common. The low hourly wage often doesn't cover the deductions for insurance, leaving little or nothing for tax withholding. What you need to understand is that you're still responsible for paying those taxes, but you'll do it through your tax return rather than through withholding. When you file your taxes, you'll report all your income (including all tips) on your Form 1040. The tax calculation will automatically include the Social Security and Medicare taxes you owe. Since these weren't withheld, you'll end up owing these amounts when you file. You should be using Form 4137 (Social Security and Medicare Tax on Unreported Tip Income) if you have unreported tips to your employer. Make sure you're keeping good records of all your tips, as underreporting tip income is something the IRS watches closely in the restaurant industry.
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GalaxyGazer
•Thank you for clarifying! So just to make sure I understand correctly, I don't need Form 8919 at all. Instead, I should just file my regular 1040 and the taxes will be calculated there. And I only need Form 4137 if I didn't report some tips to my employer. But what about the Social Security and Medicare taxes that would normally be withheld from my hourly wage? Since my insurance ate up my $2.89/hour, nothing was withheld for those taxes on my regular wages (not talking about tips). Do I need a special form for that, or does the 1040 handle that too?
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Mateo Sanchez
•You're exactly right that you don't need Form 8919. The regular Form 1040 will handle the calculation of your income tax, and Schedule 1 will help calculate self-employment tax (which includes Social Security and Medicare taxes). For the Social Security and Medicare taxes that weren't withheld from your hourly wages, the IRS will calculate these based on your W-2 reported wages. Since your W-2 will show your total income but $0 in withholding, the tax calculation will include all the Social Security and Medicare taxes you owe on your entire income (both hourly wages and reported tips). Any taxes that should have been withheld but weren't will simply become part of your total tax due when you file.
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Zoe Stavros
I've been in the restaurant industry for 8 years, and this tip/tax withholding issue is super common. Your employer is supposed to make sure enough is withheld to cover your tax obligations, but with the $2.89/hr base pay and insurance deductions, there's often nothing left. What I do is submit a W-4 with additional withholding specified, so they take extra from my larger paychecks (when I have good tip weeks). It's not perfect but helps avoid a massive tax bill at filing time. Also, make sure your employer is applying your reported tips to your Social Security earnings. Some shady places don't, and that affects your future Social Security benefits.
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Jamal Harris
•How do you figure out how much extra to have withheld on your W-4? I always end up owing hundreds and get hit with an underpayment penalty too.
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Zoe Stavros
•I use the IRS withholding estimator tool on their website. It lets you input your expected tip income and other variables, then recommends how much additional withholding to request on your W-4. For the underpayment penalties, you might want to look into making quarterly estimated tax payments instead of waiting until filing season. That's what I started doing - I set aside about 15% of my tips each week, then make quarterly payments using Form 1040-ES. It's a bit more work throughout the year, but way better than getting hit with those penalties every April.
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Mei Chen
Has anyone used the free VITA (Volunteer Income Tax Assistance) services for this kind of situation? I know they help with taxes if you make under $60,000 and I'm wondering if they can handle restaurant worker tax situations with all the tip complications?
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Liam Sullivan
•I used VITA last year for my restaurant taxes. They were great with my W-2 and basic tip reporting but struggled a bit with some of the more complex situations like allocated tips vs reported tips. It probably depends on which volunteer you get and their experience level.
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