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Sophia Gabriel

Mark to Market Election for SPX Traders - Tax Implications?

I've been actively trading SPX options for about 4 years now and I'm trying to figure out the tax implications of making a mark to market election. Here's my confusion - with SPX trading, I currently get that favorable 60/40 tax treatment (60% long-term capital gains rates and 40% short-term ordinary income rates). If I elect mark to market status, wouldn't all my gains be treated as ordinary income? Seems like I'd just be volunteering to pay higher taxes on my SPX trades? Am I missing something here? I understand with mark to market you can deduct certain business expenses, but putting that aside for a moment, is there any tax advantage to making this election if SPX options are my primary trading vehicle? For what it's worth, I almost always close out my positions before expiration (especially at year-end), so I don't typically have open positions that would create weird tax issues on December 31st. I've read Topic Number 429 on the IRS website, but I'm still confused about how this applies specifically to SPX options with their special tax treatment.

The 60/40 rule for Section 1256 contracts (which includes SPX options) is generally more favorable than mark to market (MTM) treatment for most traders. You're right to question this. With your current setup, 60% of your gains are taxed at the preferential long-term capital gains rates (currently maxing at 20%) while only 40% at ordinary income rates (up to 37%). Under MTM, 100% would be taxed as ordinary income. The main benefits of MTM come from: 1) being able to deduct business expenses without the 2% AGI floor that previously existed, 2) unlimited loss deductions without the $3,000 capital loss limitation, and 3) potentially qualifying for the 20% Qualified Business Income deduction. For SPX-focused traders, the math often favors staying with Section 1256 treatment unless you have substantial business expenses or are experiencing large losses that you want to fully deduct against other income.

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Ezra Beard

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What about wash sale rules? Don't they get eliminated with MTM status? I trade SPX too but sometimes get caught up with wash sales on my other positions.

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Yes, wash sale rules don't apply under MTM, which is definitely a benefit if you trade frequently. This can be particularly helpful if you trade other securities beyond just SPX options. For pure SPX trading, wash sales are less of an issue since Section 1256 contracts are exempt from wash sale rules anyway. So if you're trading exclusively or primarily SPX options, you're already getting that benefit without needing MTM.

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Another consideration - have you thought about establishing a trading entity like an LLC taxed as an S-Corp instead of going MTM? You could potentially get some business deduction benefits without giving up the favorable 60/40 treatment on your SPX trades. I went this route last year and it worked out well. I keep the Section 1256 treatment for my trades while still being able to deduct legitimate business expenses like my trading platform, education, home office, etc. The key is proper documentation and a reasonable salary if you go the S-Corp route. Might be worth exploring with a tax professional who specializes in trader taxation.

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Does forming an LLC for trading create any issues with your brokerage? I heard some brokers don't allow entity accounts or treat them differently.

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There can be some complications with brokers, but most major firms will allow entity accounts. Some require additional paperwork or higher minimum balances. Interactive Brokers and TD Ameritrade have been pretty straightforward in my experience. You'll need an EIN for the entity and will likely need to complete business account applications. Some brokers also require articles of organization and operating agreements. The biggest practical difference I've found is that margin requirements can sometimes be different for entity accounts versus individual accounts.

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Melissa Lin

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Has anyone considered the wash sale aspect? Section 1256 contracts (including SPX options) are exempt from wash sale rules already, so that MTM benefit doesn't apply here. But if you're trading a mix of SPX and other securities (like stocks or non-1256 options), MTM could help by eliminating wash sales on those other securities. I guess the key question is: how diversified is your trading? Pure SPX probably doesn't benefit from MTM, but a mixed portfolio might in some circumstances.

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Good point. I trade mostly SPX but also do some individual equity options and stocks that DO get hit with wash sales. Would MTM have to apply to everything or could I somehow keep the 60/40 for SPX while getting MTM benefits for the others?

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Yara Elias

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You're absolutely right to be skeptical about MTM for SPX trading. The 60/40 treatment is almost always better mathematically unless you have very specific circumstances. I made the MTM election a few years back when I was doing mixed trading (SPX + individual stocks) and had substantial losses I wanted to fully deduct. But now that I'm profitable and trade primarily SPX, I actually regret it. I'm paying ordinary income rates on everything instead of getting that sweet 60% long-term treatment. One thing to consider: the MTM election is pretty much permanent once you make it. You'd need IRS permission to revoke it, which they rarely grant. So unless you have a compelling reason (like significant business expenses or large losses to offset other income), stick with Section 1256. The QBI deduction mentioned earlier can help offset some of the MTM disadvantage, but even with the 20% QBI deduction, you're still likely paying more than the 60/40 split on substantial gains.

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Dmitry Volkov

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This is really helpful - I didn't realize the MTM election was essentially permanent. That's a huge consideration I hadn't thought about. If you don't mind me asking, what kind of approval process would be needed to revoke it? Is it something where you'd need to show a significant change in circumstances, or is the IRS just generally reluctant to allow any revocations? Also, when you say you regret the election now that you're profitable, roughly how much more are you paying in taxes compared to what you would have paid with the 60/40 treatment? I'm trying to get a sense of the real-world impact on someone in a similar situation.

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@407e984dc284 To revoke MTM, you need to file Form 3115 (Application for Change in Accounting Method) and get IRS approval. The IRS looks for "substantial business reasons" for the change - things like retirement from trading, significant change in trading strategy, or other major circumstances. They're definitely reluctant to approve revocations just because someone realizes the tax treatment isn't favorable anymore. As for the financial impact, it's been substantial. Last year alone, I estimate I paid about $18,000 more in taxes than I would have with Section 1256 treatment. My effective rate on trading gains was around 32% (after QBI deduction) versus what would have been roughly 18-20% with the 60/40 split at my income level. The permanence aspect really can't be overstated. It's probably the most important factor to consider before making the election. I wish I had understood that better when I was dealing with those losses a few years back.

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Yuki Ito

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This is exactly the kind of detailed analysis I was hoping to find! As someone who's been trading SPX options for about 2 years now, I've been going back and forth on the MTM election. The permanence aspect that @407e984dc284 mentioned is huge - I had no idea it was so difficult to reverse. That alone makes me want to be absolutely certain before making any election. I'm curious about the business expense angle though. For those who have made the MTM election, what kinds of expenses have you been able to deduct that you couldn't before? I spend quite a bit on trading education, multiple data feeds, and have a dedicated home office setup. Would these typically be enough to offset the loss of the 60/40 treatment? Also, has anyone run into issues with the "trader vs. investor" classification when making the MTM election? I trade almost daily and rarely hold positions overnight, but I'm not sure if that's sufficient to qualify as a trader for tax purposes.

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Leila Haddad

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Great questions! I've been in a similar position and did tons of research before deciding to stick with Section 1256 treatment. Regarding business expenses under MTM, you can typically deduct things like: trading education courses, data feeds (Bloomberg, Reuters, etc.), professional publications, trading software subscriptions, home office expenses, computer equipment, and even travel to trading conferences. However, you need to calculate whether these deductions actually offset the higher tax rates you'll pay on your gains. For the trader vs investor qualification, the IRS looks at four main factors: 1) frequency of trades, 2) holding periods, 3) time spent on trading activities, and 4) intent to profit from short-term price movements rather than long-term appreciation. Trading daily with short holding periods definitely helps your case, but you'll want to document your activities well. One thing to consider - even without MTM election, you might still be able to deduct some trading expenses on Schedule C if you qualify as a trader in securities (separate from the MTM accounting method). This could give you some of the expense benefits without losing the favorable 60/40 treatment on SPX. Given your situation, I'd suggest running the numbers both ways before making any permanent elections. The math usually favors staying with Section 1256 unless your deductible expenses are substantial.

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The key insight everyone seems to be hitting on is that the 60/40 treatment for SPX options is incredibly valuable and shouldn't be given up lightly. I've been wrestling with this same decision. One aspect I haven't seen mentioned is the timing flexibility with Section 1256 contracts. Since SPX options are marked-to-market at year-end regardless, you get that automatic realization without having to actually close positions. This can be helpful for tax planning - you can see exactly where you stand by December 31st and make strategic decisions about other investments. With MTM election, you lose that timing control since everything becomes ordinary income anyway. Plus, as others have noted, the election is essentially permanent, which is a huge commitment. I think the sweet spot for most SPX traders is to qualify as a "trader in securities" (without the MTM election) so you can deduct business expenses on Schedule C while keeping the favorable 60/40 treatment. Best of both worlds if you can document sufficient trading activity to meet the trader qualifications. The $18k additional tax cost that @407e984dc284 mentioned really puts the financial impact into perspective. Unless you're sitting on massive business expenses or need to offset significant losses in other areas, the math just doesn't work in favor of MTM for SPX-focused trading.

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Evelyn Kim

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This is exactly the comprehensive analysis I needed! The trader in securities qualification without MTM election sounds like it could be the perfect middle ground for my situation. @c9ca11007d05 When you mention documenting "sufficient trading activity" for trader qualifications, what kind of documentation does the IRS typically look for? I keep detailed trading logs, but I'm wondering if there are specific metrics or records they focus on during an audit. Also, has anyone here actually gone through the process of establishing trader status without the MTM election? I'm curious about the practical steps - do you need to file anything special with the IRS upfront, or do you just start treating yourself as a trader on your return and be prepared to defend it if questioned? The timing flexibility point you made is really important too. I do like being able to see my exact position at year-end with SPX and plan accordingly. Losing that control for what amounts to paying significantly more in taxes seems like a bad trade-off.

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