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Daniel Price

Understanding Tax Straddles on Form 6781 for Options Trading

So I've been diving into options trading this year, mostly working with SPX and SPY options, and now I'm facing the tax consequences of having straddles. I haven't made the mark-to-market election, and I'm completely lost trying to figure out Form 6781. I started trading options as a side hustle back in March, and while I've made some decent profits (about $14,200 so far), I now realize I didn't really think through the tax implications. I have a few questions about Form 6781: 1. What information needs to go into the different sections? I'm especially confused about Part I vs Part II and what positions qualify for each. 2. Do I need to list each individual options trade, or can I summarize them somehow? 3. How do I handle the wash sale rules with straddles? Any help would be appreciated. I'm using TurboTax but it doesn't seem very clear on how to handle straddles properly.

Olivia Evans

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Options trading with straddles can definitely complicate your tax situation! I've been working with these for several years, so let me try to simplify Form 6781 for you. For Part I (Recognized Gain or Loss on Straddles), you'll report closed positions from identified straddles where you've realized a gain or loss. This is where you report if you closed one leg of a straddle while keeping another open. Part II (Recognized Loss on Positions) is for positions that aren't part of a straddle but result in a loss when you close them. This section implements the loss deferral rules. Part III is where you calculate the unrecognized gain from any positions that were part of straddles with realized losses. You typically need to report each straddle separately, but you don't need to list every individual trade - you can group similar positions together (like all your SPY calls with the same expiration). The key is to clearly identify the positions that form each straddle. For wash sales with straddles, the rules get tricky because they interact with the straddle rules. Generally, if you establish a position that's substantially similar within 30 days before or after closing at a loss, you can't immediately recognize that loss.

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Thanks for the explanation! Quick follow-up: When reporting straddles on SPX options (which are 1256 contracts), do I still use Form 6781 or should these go on Form 8949 instead? And do I need to separate my SPX trades from my SPY trades since SPX is subject to 60/40 treatment?

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Olivia Evans

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For Section 1256 contracts like SPX options, you'd report the summary of those on Form 6781 Part I, but the actual gains and losses flow through to Form 8949. You're correct that SPX options receive the 60/40 treatment (60% long-term, 40% short-term), which is a tax advantage. You should definitely separate your SPX trades from your SPY trades. SPY options are regular securities with standard short-term or long-term treatment depending on holding period, while SPX options get the special 60/40 treatment. This distinction is important because mixing them could cause you to lose the tax advantage of the 60/40 treatment on the SPX options.

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Aiden Chen

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I'm curious - did it also help with the wash sale calculations? I had a situation where I closed an SPY put at a loss and then opened another similar position a week later, and my accountant said that triggered some complicated interaction between wash sale rules and straddle rules.

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Aiden Chen

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Nora Brooks

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Don't forget about mixed straddles too! If you have positions that include both Section 1256 contracts (like your SPX options) and non-Section 1256 positions (like your SPY options), you can make a mixed straddle account election that can be beneficial. This election lets you treat everything in the mixed straddle as non-Section 1256 contracts, which means you lose the 60/40 treatment but gain more flexibility in recognizing losses. But careful - you need to make this election by the due date of your return for the first year you're using it. Form 6781 has a checkbox for this election in Part IV. I missed this my first year trading and it cost me thousands in unnecessarily deferred losses.

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Daniel Price

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Thanks for bringing up mixed straddles! I actually do have some positions where I was trading both SPX and SPY options with similar expirations. Would making this election be better than keeping them separate? Is there a way to calculate which would be more advantageous tax-wise?

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Nora Brooks

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It really depends on your specific situation. Generally, if you have significant losses in your Section 1256 positions that would otherwise be deferred because of offsetting gains in non-Section 1256 positions, then making the election could be beneficial. The way to calculate which is more advantageous is to run the numbers both ways. First, calculate your tax liability treating the Section 1256 contracts normally (with 60/40 treatment) and applying the straddle rules to defer losses as needed. Then, calculate it as if you made the mixed straddle election, treating all positions as non-Section 1256 contracts. The difference can be substantial depending on your specific trading patterns and whether you had more gains or losses in each type of position.

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Eli Wang

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Has anyone used TaxAct for reporting straddles? I've been using it for years but this is my first time with Form 6781 and I'm finding the interface really confusing for entering straddle information.

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Savannah Vin

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I've been through the Form 6781 maze myself and wanted to add a few practical tips that might help you with your SPX/SPY options situation. First, make sure you're keeping detailed records of when you opened and closed each leg of your straddles. The IRS requires you to identify which positions form each straddle, and you'll need the exact dates and amounts for Form 6781. I use a simple spreadsheet to track this. For your SPX options specifically, remember that they're marked-to-market at year-end even if you haven't closed them, so you'll need to report any unrealized gains/losses on positions you're still holding. This is different from your SPY options which are only reported when you actually close them. One thing that caught me off guard my first year: if you have any straddle positions still open at year-end, you need to calculate the "unrecognized gain" for Part III of Form 6781. This is basically the paper profit on the winning leg of any straddle where you took a loss on the other leg. Also, since you mentioned using TurboTax, make sure you're using the Premier version - the basic version doesn't handle Form 6781 properly. Even then, you might need to manually override some of the calculations if you have complex mixed straddle situations.

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Jace Caspullo

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This is really helpful, especially the point about tracking open and close dates! I'm curious about the mark-to-market requirement for SPX options - does this mean I need to calculate the fair market value of any SPX positions I'm holding on December 31st? And if so, how do I determine that value? Do I use the closing price from the last trading day of the year, or is there a specific method the IRS requires for valuing these positions?

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