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Do Robinhood wash sale rules apply differently to options trading?

Hi everyone, wanted to get some insight on a frustrating tax situation with my options trades. I'll simplify the numbers to make this easier to understand. Last year I made around $110,000 trading stock options on Robinhood, with a cost basis of approximately $125,000. My total wash sales according to Robinhood are about $5,000, giving me a net loss of around $8,000. But because of these wash sales, instead of reporting the full $8k loss, they're only showing a $3k loss on my 1099. Most of these wash sales were from day trading options contracts that I either sold at a loss or that expired worthless. I've already contacted Robinhood support and they just told me to "talk to a tax professional" (super helpful, right?). I'm planning to speak with my buddy's wife who does tax work, but thought I'd check here first. I'm particularly confused about one stock - PYPL. I never repurchased the PYPL options that triggered the wash sale, yet Robinhood didn't adjust my cost basis for my existing stock position. Even weirder, the total contract profit/loss for PYPL shows $0.00, which makes no sense. When I asked about this, the customer service rep just said "someone would look into it"... My main question: With stocks, I know you can trigger a wash sale but still claim the loss if you sell the position and don't rebuy within 30 days. But with options, can you permanently lose the tax deduction by triggering a wash sale? Does Robinhood handle this correctly?

I've been dealing with similar issues with Robinhood's options wash sale reporting. One thing that helped me understand the problem better was pulling my own trade history and manually calculating what should and shouldn't be wash sales based on the IRS criteria. For options, the key factors are: same underlying stock, same strike price, AND same expiration date. If any of these differ, there's a strong argument that they're not "substantially identical." However, Robinhood's system seems to flag anything with the same underlying as a potential wash sale, which is overly broad. In your PYPL case, if you never repurchased options with identical terms within the 30-day window, those definitely shouldn't be wash sales. The $0.00 profit/loss display is almost certainly a system glitch - I've seen this happen when their automated calculations get confused by expired contracts. My advice: Document everything with specific transaction dates and contract details. When you contact support, reference the specific IRS Publication 550 language about "substantially identical securities" and ask them to review each flagged transaction individually rather than relying on their automated system. It's frustrating, but the squeaky wheel gets the grease with Robinhood. Keep escalating until you reach someone who actually understands options taxation rather than just reading from a script.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm new to options trading and had no idea about the specific criteria for "substantially identical" securities. I've been getting wash sale flags on what seem like completely different contracts just because they're for the same underlying stock. Quick question - when you say "same expiration date," does that mean the exact same expiration, or would weekly options vs monthly options for the same week potentially be considered different? I've been trading both SPY weeklies and monthlies and I'm wondering if that affects the wash sale treatment. Also, has anyone had success citing IRS Publication 550 specifically when dealing with Robinhood support? I'm wondering if mentioning specific tax code sections actually helps or if their first-level support just ignores it.

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Great question about the expiration dates! Yes, it needs to be the exact same expiration date for the IRS to consider options "substantially identical." So SPY weeklies expiring on Friday and SPY monthlies expiring that same Friday would be considered the same, but weeklies vs monthlies with different expiration dates would not trigger wash sales. Regarding citing IRS Publication 550 - it definitely helps, but you need to get past the first-level support. The initial chat representatives usually don't understand tax regulations and will just give you generic responses. However, once you get escalated to their tax specialist team (which you can request specifically), mentioning Publication 550 Section 4 about wash sales and providing the specific language about "substantially identical securities" carries a lot more weight. I'd recommend having the exact quote ready: "Substantially identical securities include the same stock in the same corporation." For options, this has been interpreted to require same underlying, strike, AND expiration. The more specific you can be with regulatory citations, the more likely they are to take your case seriously and actually review the transactions rather than just defending their automated system. One tip: when you escalate, specifically ask to speak with someone who handles "complex options taxation issues" rather than general customer service. That usually gets you routed to someone with actual knowledge of these rules.

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I've been following this thread closely as I'm dealing with a similar situation. Just wanted to add another perspective on the "substantially identical" issue that might help others. I had a case last year where I was trading AAPL options - sold some $150 calls expiring in March at a loss, then bought $155 calls expiring in April within the wash sale period. Robinhood flagged this as a wash sale, but when I challenged it, they eventually agreed it shouldn't have been flagged since both the strike price AND expiration date were different. The key insight I learned from my tax attorney is that the IRS applies the "substantially identical" test very strictly for options. Even a $5 difference in strike price or one day difference in expiration is enough to make them NOT substantially identical. This is different from stocks where small differences might still be considered substantially identical. What really helped me was creating a simple table showing: - Original contract: Underlying, Strike, Expiration, Sale Date - Replacement contract: Underlying, Strike, Expiration, Purchase Date - Days between transactions - Why they're NOT substantially identical This visual format made it much easier for Robinhood's tax team to understand why their automated system was wrong. I'd recommend anyone dealing with this issue to document it the same way - it really cuts through the confusion and gives them something concrete to work with. For what it's worth, after getting my corrected 1099, my additional deductible losses were about $8,400. Definitely worth the effort to fight these incorrect wash sale designations.

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Derek Olson

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This is exactly the kind of systematic approach I needed to see! Thank you for sharing that table format - it makes so much sense to document it visually rather than trying to explain it in paragraphs. I'm dealing with a similar situation where Robinhood flagged SPY options as wash sales even though they had different strikes and expirations. Your example with AAPL gives me confidence that these should definitely be challengeable. Quick follow-up question: when you submitted this to Robinhood, did you go through regular support channels or did you have to escalate to get someone who understood the nuance? And roughly how long did the whole process take from initial challenge to receiving the corrected 1099? Also, did your tax attorney charge a lot for helping with this? I'm trying to weigh whether it's worth getting professional help or if the documentation approach you described is enough to handle it myself.

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CosmicCowboy

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I'm so glad I found this thread! I'm dealing with almost the exact same situation - unemployed since January and just discovered I owe $2,400 from some freelance work I did last year. The stress has been keeping me up at night. Reading through everyone's experiences has been incredibly helpful and reassuring. I had no idea there were so many options available beyond just "pay it all or face consequences." The Currently Not Collectible status sounds like it might be perfect for my situation while I'm job hunting. One thing I want to add that helped me when I was researching this - make sure to check if you qualify for any earned income tax credit or other credits you might have missed. Sometimes people in tough financial situations overlook credits they're entitled to, which could reduce what you owe. Also, I called my local VITA (Volunteer Income Tax Assistance) program and they offered to review my return for free to make sure I didn't miss any deductions from my freelance work. It's worth double-checking before you commit to owing the full amount. Thank you to everyone who shared their stories here - knowing that so many people have successfully worked through this exact situation has given me hope that I can figure this out too. This community has been a lifeline during what felt like an impossible situation!

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Omar Fawzi

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@1fc5995409a3 Thank you for mentioning VITA programs! As someone who's also new to dealing with tax debt while unemployed, I hadn't heard of the free return review service they offer. That's such a valuable resource, especially when you're trying to make sure you haven't missed any deductions that could reduce what you owe. Your point about checking for earned income tax credit and other credits is really important too. When you're stressed about owing money, it's easy to overlook that there might be credits you qualify for that could help offset the debt. I'm in a very similar situation - lost my job a few months ago and just realized I owe money from some contract work I did last year. Reading through everyone's experiences in this thread has been such a relief. Like you said, knowing there are options like Currently Not Collectible status, payment plans, and penalty relief makes this feel manageable instead of hopeless. It's amazing how supportive this community has been. When I first saw my tax bill, I felt so alone and panicked. But seeing how many people have been in this exact situation and found ways to work it out has really helped calm my anxiety. We're definitely going to figure this out!

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Aaron Boston

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I'm in a remarkably similar situation and this thread has been such a blessing to find! Lost my job in October and just calculated that I owe about $2,700 from driving for Lyft and doing some freelance photography work last year. The panic when I first saw that number was absolutely crushing. What's really helped me feel less alone is seeing how many people here have navigated this exact scenario successfully. I had no idea options like Currently Not Collectible status existed, or that the IRS might actually be willing to work with unemployed people rather than just demanding immediate payment. I'm definitely going to start with that online Payment Plan tool several people mentioned, and if I need more help, I'll reach out to the Taxpayer Advocate Service. The fact that there's free guidance available without any sales pressure is such a relief. One thing I learned from my unemployment counselor that might help others - if you're receiving any kind of job training or certification assistance through your state's unemployment services, keep track of those expenses too. Some of them can be deductible as job search costs for next year's taxes. Thank you to everyone who shared their stories here, especially @51c8bbd08643 for starting this conversation. Knowing there's a community of people who understand exactly what this feels like and have found ways through it has given me the courage to actually address this instead of hiding from it. We've got this!

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@65e896fcd3a5 Aaron, thank you for sharing your story and for mentioning the job training expenses tip! That's something I hadn't considered, and since I'm also going through some certification programs while job hunting, it's good to know those costs might be deductible next year. Your situation sounds so similar to mine - I'm also dealing with gig work taxes (drove for Uber and did some freelance writing) after losing my job earlier this year. Like you, I had that same crushing panic when I first calculated what I owed. But this thread has been incredible for showing us that we're definitely not alone in this. I'm really impressed by how supportive everyone has been here. When I first joined this community, I was honestly embarrassed about my situation and worried people would judge me for not understanding the tax implications of gig work better. But seeing how common this experience is - and how many people have successfully worked through it - has been such a relief. I think you're absolutely right that we've got this! Between all the options people have shared (payment plans, Currently Not Collectible status, penalty relief, free resources like VITA and the Taxpayer Advocate Service), there are real paths forward. It's just a matter of taking that first step and being proactive about it instead of letting the anxiety paralyze us. Thank you again to @51c8bbd08643 for creating this space where we could all share and learn from each other!

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Just wanted to chime in with a quick tip that saved me some headache - when you're organizing all those receipts and documentation everyone's mentioned, consider creating a simple spreadsheet that tracks not just the amounts but also categorizes each expense (mold remediation vs. cosmetic improvements vs. materials vs. labor). I learned this the hard way after my basement flooding situation. Having everything categorized made it so much easier when I eventually needed to reference specific costs for insurance claims, warranty issues with contractors, and yes - documenting the basis increase for tax purposes down the road. It only takes a few extra minutes now but will save you hours later when you're trying to remember what that random $347 receipt was for three years from now. Also, don't forget to photograph the work in progress and final results. Insurance companies and tax professionals both love visual documentation, and it helps tell the story of why the work was necessary versus just cosmetic. Good luck with your insurance claim - fingers crossed they cover at least some of that remediation cost!

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Omar Mahmoud

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This spreadsheet idea is brilliant! I wish I had thought of that from the beginning. I'm definitely going to set one up this weekend and go back through all my receipts to categorize everything properly. You're so right about forgetting what random receipts were for - I'm already struggling to remember some of the smaller purchases from just a few weeks ago. The photography tip is gold too. I did take some "before" photos when we first discovered the mold, but I didn't think to document the work in progress. Thankfully I have some final result photos, but I'll definitely keep this in mind for any future projects. It's amazing how many little details like this can make a huge difference later on but aren't obvious when you're in the middle of dealing with the actual problem. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's really helpful to learn from someone who's been through a similar situation!

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James Johnson

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Adding to the great advice here - one thing I haven't seen mentioned is that if you're planning to stay in your home long-term, you might want to consider setting up a dedicated "home improvement fund" going forward. After dealing with unexpected repairs like your mold situation, it becomes clear how these costs can hit hard all at once. I started putting aside a small amount each month after my own surprise foundation repair. It won't help with your current tax situation, but having that buffer makes future necessary repairs feel less financially devastating. Plus, if you're strategic about timing improvements (like the energy-efficient upgrades others mentioned), you can potentially maximize any available credits by planning them for years when you'll benefit most from the deductions. Also, since you mentioned this being your first time with homeowner tax questions - consider keeping a simple home maintenance log going forward. Track when you do preventive maintenance, small repairs, etc. It helps establish patterns that can be useful for insurance claims and shows you're maintaining the property properly. Won't help with taxes directly, but insurance companies sometimes look more favorably on claims when you can demonstrate regular upkeep and maintenance.

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Just a heads up that tax filing for someone with dementia gets more complicated if they have income from multiple states. My father had rental properties in Florida while living in Pennsylvania with dementia. We had to file state returns for both states, and it got confusing quick. Make sure you understand which state considers your family member a resident for tax purposes. Some care facilities can affect residency status depending on whether they're considered permanent or temporary living arrangements.

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Caleb Stark

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Did you use TurboTax or something else for multi-state returns in this situation? I'm trying to figure out the best software for my mom's complicated situation.

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I tried TurboTax initially but found it wasn't great for our complex situation. I ended up using H&R Block's premium software which handled the multi-state issues better, especially with the power of attorney situation factored in. The most important thing was gathering all information first - his rental income, medical expenses, and care facility costs. If your situation is really complex with multiple states and a POA, you might consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in elder care at least for the first year. They can set up a template that you might be able to follow in future years.

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I'm dealing with a very similar situation with my father who has vascular dementia. One thing I learned the hard way is to keep detailed records of every interaction with the IRS, including dates, times, and reference numbers. Also, don't forget about potential tax benefits you might be eligible for - medical expenses for dementia care can be significant deductions, and there are specific provisions for care facility costs. The IRS Publication 502 has details about what medical expenses qualify. I'd recommend getting everything set up sooner rather than later, as the process can take several weeks. The IRS moves slowly, and you want to have all the proper authorizations in place well before any deadlines. It's also worth noting that some banks and investment companies will require separate power of attorney documents beyond just the IRS forms. Hang in there - it's overwhelming at first but gets more manageable once you have the systems in place.

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Harper Hill

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This is such great advice about keeping detailed records! I'm just starting this process and feeling pretty overwhelmed. When you mention getting separate POA documents for banks and investment companies, did you find that the financial POA you got for the IRS forms worked for most places, or did each institution want their own specific forms? I'm trying to figure out how many different documents I might need to get prepared.

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LilMama23

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This thread has been such a goldmine of information! I just filed my return three days ago and was already starting to check my transcript daily (okay, maybe more than daily...). Reading through everyone's detailed experiences has completely changed my understanding of the process. The fact that the 846 code is actually the Treasury authorization rather than just a status notification makes so much sense - no wonder it's such a consistent predictor across everyone's stories here! I love how this community shares real data points instead of just speculation. Currently showing the 150 code, but now I know exactly what to watch for and when to check. Definitely implementing the Friday morning strategy to save my sanity. Thanks to everyone for sharing their timelines and experiences - this is exactly the kind of practical information that helps reduce the tax season stress!

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Welcome to the transcript checking club! I just joined this community myself and filed around the same time as you. This thread has been absolutely invaluable - I had no idea about the technical details behind the 846 code until reading everyone's experiences here. It's so reassuring to see how consistent the pattern is across different people's situations. I was definitely heading toward the same obsessive checking habit, but learning that it's actually the Treasury authorization (not just a status update) really helps explain why the timing is so reliable. The Friday morning strategy seems like a much healthier approach than my current "check whenever I'm bored" method! Thanks for adding another data point to this incredibly helpful discussion.

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Kaylee Cook

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Just filed my return yesterday and already found myself checking my transcript this morning - glad I discovered this thread early! The technical explanation about the 846 code being the actual Treasury authorization rather than just a status update is incredibly helpful. I had always assumed these codes were just informational, but understanding that 846 literally triggers the payment process makes the timing patterns everyone's describing make perfect sense. Currently showing the standard 150 code, but now I know exactly what progression to expect and when to realistically check for updates. The Friday morning strategy sounds much more sustainable than daily checking - thanks everyone for sharing such consistent real-world experiences instead of just guessing about how the system works!

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