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AstroAlpha

Is my understanding of basic short-term tax trading wrong? Confused about profits/losses calculation

So I've been trying to wrap my head around how taxes work for my trading activity. Let me walk through a hypothetical to make sure I'm getting this right. If I have about $800K to invest and throughout 2024, I make various trades that generate around $380K in profits, but I also have other trades that result in about $290K in losses, am I correct in thinking I'd only be taxed on the net profit of $90K as ordinary income? My confusion started when looking at some tax documents I received. I wasn't totally clear on what was being calculated and how my gains and losses would be netted out. The broker statement seems to show individual trades rather than the final net amount, so I wasn't sure if the IRS looks at each trade separately or if they look at the overall profit/loss for the year. Does the tax system basically just care about my net profit from all short-term trades combined? Or am I missing something important about how short-term trading profits and losses are reported and taxed? Any clarity would be super helpful because I'm trying to get my tax planning for next year in order.

Diego Chavez

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Great question! For short-term capital gains and losses (investments held for one year or less), your understanding is basically correct. The tax system does care about the net result of all your short-term trades combined. Here's how it works: Your $380K in profits and $290K in losses would indeed net out to a $90K short-term capital gain. This $90K would be taxed as ordinary income at your regular income tax rate. The IRS doesn't tax each profitable trade separately while ignoring the losing ones - they look at the net result. Your broker provides documentation of each individual trade for record-keeping purposes and verification, but on your tax return (Schedule D and Form 8949), you'll report the combined net amount. If you're trading frequently, your broker may provide a summary that shows the net amounts by category.

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Thanks for the explanation! What happens if my losses exceed my gains in a given year? Like if I had $200K in profits but $300K in losses? Can I use that $100K net loss against my regular income?

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Diego Chavez

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If your losses exceed your gains, you can deduct up to $3,000 of net capital losses against your other income in a single tax year. For your example of $200K profits and $300K losses, you'd have a net capital loss of $100K. You could deduct $3,000 of that loss against your regular income this year, and then carry forward the remaining $97,000 to future tax years. You'll continue to use that carryforward loss in future years - first against capital gains, and then up to $3,000 annually against regular income until it's used up.

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Zara Shah

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How does it handle crypto trading? I've got stocks but also did a bunch of crypto trades last year and my regular tax guy seems confused about how to handle them together.

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Luca Bianchi

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Sean O'Brien

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Luca Bianchi

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Aisha Ali

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Don't forget that the wash sale rule can seriously mess with your "simple" profit and loss calculation. If you sell a security at a loss and buy the same or "substantially identical" security within 30 days before or after the sale, you can't immediately claim that loss for tax purposes. I learned this the hard way last year trading tech stocks. Thought I had a $15k net loss only to discover that most of my losses were disallowed because I kept jumping in and out of the same stocks. The losses didn't disappear forever, but they got added to the cost basis of my replacement shares instead of offsetting my gains.

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AstroAlpha

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Thank you so much for pointing this out! I didn't even consider wash sales. Looking at my trading pattern, I definitely bought back into some positions within that 30-day window after selling at a loss. Does the wash sale rule apply across different brokerage accounts too? Like if I sell at a loss on Fidelity and then buy the same stock on Robinhood within 30 days?

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Aisha Ali

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Yes, the wash sale rule absolutely applies across different brokerage accounts. The IRS doesn't care which platform you use - if you sell at a loss on Fidelity and buy the same stock on Robinhood within that 30-day window, it's still a wash sale. This is actually one of the biggest traps for traders who use multiple platforms. Your individual brokers won't know about trades you make elsewhere, so their reporting might not flag wash sales that actually exist when you look at all your accounts together. This is why tax software that can consolidate all your trading activity is valuable - it can identify wash sales that individual brokers miss.

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Ethan Moore

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Another thing to consider is that if trading is your actual job/business rather than just investing, the tax treatment can be completely different. If you qualify as a "trader" in the eyes of the IRS (which has specific requirements about frequency, volume, and intent), you might be eligible for "trader tax status" and could potentially elect the Section 475 mark-to-market accounting method. This would treat all your trades as ordinary income/loss rather than capital gains/losses, bypassing the $3,000 capital loss limitation and wash sale rules. But this is a serious election with major implications and specific deadlines.

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Yuki Nakamura

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How much trading do you have to do to qualify as a "trader" vs just an "investor"? I probably make like 5-10 trades a week, not sure if that's enough.

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