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So I'm in a pretty deep hole with the IRS right now. I recently filed tax returns from 2019-2021 (like only two months ago) when I was doing independent contractor work, and now I'm looking at owing around $40k in back taxes. Talk about a punch to the gut. I've been putting this off for years and finally got the courage to file, but now I'm panicking about how to handle this mountain of debt. The IRS is already sending me notices and I'm not sure what my best move is. Would it be worth it to spend money on a tax attorney at this point, or should I just bite the bullet and try to set up a payment plan directly with the IRS? I honestly have no idea if a lawyer could even help reduce what I owe or if I'd just be throwing more money at the problem. Anyone been in a similar situation or have advice? I'm kinda freaking out here.
I bought some Mullen Stock shares through Schwab back in 2022 (totally regret following the hype train on this one) for around $1,300. My husband and I are both in PhD programs, so we don't have regular full-time income - just our savings and what we make teaching as graduate assistants each semester. I'm completely lost on what to do since basically all the money I invested in Mullen has evaporated after their stock split. My portfolio shows a loss of about $1,250 right now, but I haven't sold the shares yet. Would it be smart to sell before the end of 2024 to claim the capital loss on taxes, or should I just hold onto these worthless shares? Any tax advice or suggestions would be super appreciated! Thanks everyone!
Don't forget about the wash sale rule if you're thinking about tax loss harvesting! If you sell Mullen at a loss but buy it back within 30 days before or after the sale, you can't claim the tax loss. This applies to "substantially identical" securities too. I learned this the hard way when I sold my Tesla shares at a loss last year and then got excited when it dipped further a week later and bought back in. My tax software flagged it as a wash sale and I couldn't deduct the loss.
Thanks for mentioning this! If I do sell, is there any problem with just putting that money into a total market index fund instead? Or would that still trigger this wash sale thing?
Putting the money into a total market index fund would be perfectly fine and wouldn't trigger the wash sale rule. The rule only applies to "substantially identical" securities, which a diversified index fund definitely is not compared to an individual stock like Mullen. This is actually a smart strategy many investors use - they harvest the tax loss from individual stocks or sector funds, then immediately reinvest in broader index funds to stay invested in the market while avoiding wash sales. Just make sure you don't buy back into Mullen or any security that's too similar to it within that 30-day window before or after your sale.
Just a thought - since you and your spouse are grad students with presumably low income, check if you're in the 0% capital gains tax bracket (income under ~$89k for married filing jointly). If so, you might also want to strategically sell some winners alongside your losers. You could realize gains at 0% tax rate while offsetting with your Mullen losses.
I'm trying to e-file my tax returns from 2020 and 2021 but running into some roadblocks. Currently living abroad so mailing them is both pricey and super slow from where I am. I've been researching e-file options and so far found: FreeTaxUSA - they'll let me e-file 2021 returns electronically, but for some reason they won't accept 2020 e-file (only paper filing for that year). GetYourRefund - this actually looks perfect for my situation but they don't open until February and I really don't want to wait that long. Does anyone know other options for e-filing previous years? I'm totally fine paying a reasonable fee for the service - at this point I just want to get these returns submitted without having to deal with international mail. Any suggestions would be much appreciated!
If all else fails, you can also try TurboTax. I think they still allow e-filing for 2021 and possibly 2020 depending on when you're trying to file. They'll charge you around $70-100 per return though, which is more expensive than some of the other options mentioned. One thing I learned the hard way - make sure whatever software you use can handle your international situation correctly. Some of the cheaper options don't properly support foreign earned income exclusion or foreign tax credits.
Thanks for the suggestion! Does TurboTax handle foreign income well? I have earnings from two different countries plus some US investments, so my situation is a bit complicated.
TurboTax does handle foreign income pretty well in my experience. They have specific sections for foreign earned income exclusion (Form 2555) and foreign tax credits (Form 1116). They'll walk you through determining which is better for your situation. For multiple countries, they can handle that too, though you'll need good records of how much you earned in each place and what taxes you paid to each country. The investment income adds another layer, but their premium version specifically covers investment income scenarios. Just be prepared to pay more for the versions that handle international situations.
Has anyone tried OLT (OnLine Taxes)? Their website says they support prior year e-filing but doesn't specify which years exactly.
I used OLT for my 2021 return and it worked fine, but when I tried to do my 2020 return, they only offered paper filing. This was about 6 months ago though, so maybe things have changed. Their customer service was pretty responsive when I asked about it.
So I just got this notice from the IRS yesterday and I'm freaking out a little. It's about my 2023 taxes that I filed back in February. They're saying something about a "discrepancy" between what I reported and what they have on file. The notice has some code CP2000 at the top and says I might owe an additional $3,800! I seriously don't understand how this happened - I used TurboTax and double-checked everything. The letter mentions something about unreported income, but I honestly reported everything I made last year. I had my main job and did some freelance work on the side, but I swear I included all my 1099s. Has anyone dealt with this kind of IRS notice before? Do I need to hire a professional to help me respond? I'm really stressed since the letter says I only have 30 days to respond, and I don't want to make things worse.
Just want to throw this out there - before you respond to a CP2000, double check that it's legitimate! There are scams going around where people get fake IRS notices. A real CP2000 will always include detailed instructions for responding and multiple ways to contact the IRS. Also, if the "discrepancy" involves income from crypto transactions, be especially careful with your response. The IRS often gets incorrect basis information which makes it look like you had much larger gains than you actually did. I've seen penalties in the tens of thousands that were completely wrong!
How can you tell if a CP2000 is legit? I got one recently but now I'm worried it might be fake. Are there specific things to look for?
A legitimate CP2000 will always come by U.S. mail (never email), include your tax ID number, the tax year in question, and a detailed explanation of the proposed changes. It will have specific contact information for the IRS, including a toll-free number. The notice will also include your rights as a taxpayer and explain the appeals process. Fake notices often have spelling/grammar errors, demand immediate payment (especially via gift cards, wire transfers, or cryptocurrency), don't provide clear explanation of the discrepancies, or direct you to unofficial websites. You can always verify a notice by calling the IRS directly at 800-829-1040 (not using any number on the suspicious notice itself).
One thing nobody mentioned - you can request more time to respond if 30 days isn't enough! I did this when I got my CP2000 last year because some of my documents were with my accountant who was on vacation. I just called the number on the notice and asked for a 30-day extension, and they granted it no problem.
So our company filed for the Employee Retention Credit about 10 months ago and we're still waiting on roughly $875K to come through. We initially were told everything looked good, but now our accountant is saying there's a potential "issue" with the claim. The thing I'm worried about is that two of our owners have some significant personal tax problems - something like $600K in back taxes and penalties between them. We file as a partnership (Form 1065) for the business. What I'm trying to figure out: Can the IRS hold up or completely offset our company's ERC payment because of the owners' personal tax situations? Could they just flat-out deny the whole claim because of this connection? Has anyone dealt with something similar? Our accountant seems unsure about this specific situation and I'm getting nervous about whether we'll ever see this money. Any insights from people who've been through the ERC process would be super helpful!
Just curious - have you already received a letter from the IRS explaining the hold, or are you just hearing about a potential "issue" from your accountant? In my experience with the ERC process (we claimed about $320k), communication is really spotty. Our claim was held up for 11 months before we finally got an official letter explaining what was happening.
We haven't received any official letters from the IRS about this yet. Our accountant just called saying his contact at the IRS mentioned there's some kind of "hold" on our claim during a call about something totally unrelated. Super frustrating to get such vague information! We're filing Form 843 to try to get some interest on the delayed amount, but not sure if that will just complicate things further.
That's pretty typical unfortunately. The IRS is seriously understaffed for handling ERC claims, especially the larger ones that get flagged for review. I wouldn't recommend filing Form 843 while your claim is still pending - that could actually create a duplicate file in their system and potentially cause more delays. What worked for us was having our accountant file Form 911 (Taxpayer Advocate Service request) after the 9-month mark, which at least got us assigned to someone who could provide updates.
Has your company received any prior ERC payments, or is this the first/only claim you've submitted? The reason I ask is because the IRS has been treating first-time claims with much more scrutiny lately due to all the fraud.
QuantumQuasar
I went through this exact situation with about $30k in back taxes. Here's what I learned: you don't necessarily need a lawyer right away, but you DO need someone who understands tax resolution. Start with a free consultation with a tax attorney AND an enrolled agent (EA) or CPA who specializes in tax resolution. Compare their approaches and fees. Many offer payment plans. For me, an EA ended up being the best value - they got my penalties reduced through abatement (saved about $5k) and set up a manageable payment plan. They charged me $1,800 total, which was WAY less than the attorney quotes I got ($5k+). Whatever you do, DO NOT use one of those "tax relief" places that advertise on radio/TV. Complete ripoffs charging thousands for what you could do yourself.
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Liam McGuire
Did the enrolled agent help negotiate a lower amount overall or just handle the payment plan? Wondering if it's actually possible to get the IRS to accept less than what they say you owe.
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QuantumQuasar
The EA didn't get the actual tax amount reduced - that's rarely possible unless there are actual errors in how your tax was calculated. What they did get reduced were the penalties, which in my case had added about $7k to my original tax bill. They managed to get about $5k of those penalties removed through the first-time penalty abatement program and reasonable cause arguments. They also made sure I was claiming all legitimate business deductions that I had missed on my original filings, which lowered the taxable income and therefore the tax due. This is different than "negotiating" with the IRS - it's just proper tax preparation that I had failed to do correctly.
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Amara Eze
Has anyone used an Offer in Compromise? I've heard you can settle tax debt for pennies on the dollar but it sounds too good to be true.
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Giovanni Greco
I tried for an OIC but got rejected. They look at your income, expenses, assets... basically if they think you CAN pay (even over time), they won't accept less. Those radio ads are super misleading. Like 40% of OICs get accepted, and usually for people with serious hardships or very little income/assets compared to their debt.
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Amara Eze
Thanks for sharing your experience. That's pretty much what I suspected - those ads do sound way too good to be true. I guess I'll look more into payment plans instead since I do have a steady income. Did you end up with an installment agreement after your OIC was rejected?
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