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lol your meme is probably gonna be relevant next year too ๐ the tax code never gets simpler only more complex. i've been filing taxes for 15 years and every single year there's some new form or calculation. remember when you could file on a postcard? pepperidge farm remembers
Didn't they actually try to make a "postcard-sized" tax form a few years back? Whatever happened to that? Seems like my tax return gets thicker every year.
They did try to make that simplified postcard form around 2018 as part of the tax law changes. It was basically a marketing gimmick - they just moved all the calculations to separate worksheets and schedules that you still had to fill out. The whole thing was abandoned pretty quickly because it actually made filing more complicated, not less. Now tax returns are definitely getting thicker every year with more worksheets and schedules than ever. The 2023 tax year is no exception with all the special credits and deductions they keep adding without simplifying the old ones.
Your meme was probably about Form 8812, right? That thing is a nightmare when you have multiple kids with different living situations. I had to figure out which of my three kids qualified last year when one lives with me, one lives with their mom, and one is in college but comes home during breaks. Ended up getting it wrong and had to file an amended return.
Try using tax software. It walks you through all that stuff step by step. TurboTax, H&R Block, or even the free options like FreeTaxUSA handle all those worksheets and calculations behind the scenes.
Fun fact: The IRS actually tried to create a system like what you're describing! It was called "Return Free Filing" and was proposed back in the early 2000s. The tax prep lobby (mainly Intuit which owns TurboTax) spent over $20 million lobbying against it. They even got Congress to pass the Free File agreement which basically banned the IRS from creating its own filing system as long as tax companies offered a "free" option (which they then deliberately made hard to find and limited in functionality). Look up "ProPublica TurboTax lobbying" if you want to get really angry about it. There was a huge exposรฉ a few years back. So the direct answer to your question of "why isn't this a thing" is simple: corporate profits over public good.
That's incredibly frustrating to learn! I had no idea there was actually a proposed system that got killed by industry lobbying. I just looked up that ProPublica article and wow... the fact that other countries have been doing this for decades while we're stuck manually entering numbers that the government already has is ridiculous. Do you know if there's any movement to revive this idea? Seems like the kind of common sense thing that both political parties could potentially get behind.
There have been several attempts over the years, most recently the Tax Filing Simplification Act that's been introduced a few times but hasn't passed. The current administration has made some promises about simplifying the tax filing process, but meaningful change faces the same powerful lobbying obstacles. The Free File agreement was actually modified in 2019 after the ProPublica reporting, removing the provision that explicitly prevented the IRS from creating its own system. That's a start, but there's still strong resistance. The best hope is continued public pressure and awareness - the more people understand that better options exist and are being deliberately blocked, the more momentum builds for change.
In Australia, we have exactly what you're describing. It's called "myTax" through the ATO (Australian Tax Office). Most income, interest, dividends, government payments, health insurance, and charitable donations are pre-filled in the system. You just review it, add any deductions they don't know about, and submit. Takes about 15-30 minutes for most people. I moved to the US last year and was SHOCKED at how backwards the tax filing system is here. I spent hours gathering documents that the IRS already had and paying for software to do what should be a free government service. The craziest part is I ended up getting a letter from the IRS months later saying I calculated something wrong anyway - so they clearly have all the info and know the correct numbers! Why make me figure it out first?
I've worked as a tax preparer and here's something people don't realize: the IRS is actually pretty reasonable about payment plans. The key is communication! They'd much rather have you filing and paying something than avoiding them completely. One thing to consider - if your income has changed significantly, you might qualify for an Offer in Compromise where you pay less than the full amount. It's not easy to qualify, but worth looking into if you're truly in financial hardship. Whatever you do, don't use those "pennies on the dollar" tax resolution companies you see advertising on TV. They charge thousands upfront and often deliver nothing.
Thanks for this advice. My income has actually decreased quite a bit since 2022 (lost my higher paying job). Would that potentially help me qualify for an Offer in Compromise? And is that something I can apply for myself or do I need a professional?
Yes, a significant decrease in income could definitely help qualify you for an Offer in Compromise. The IRS looks at your current income, expenses, asset equity, and future earning potential to determine if you can reasonably pay the full amount owed. You can absolutely apply yourself using Form 656, though it's a complex process requiring detailed financial documentation. There's a $205 application fee, but it's waived if you meet low-income certification guidelines. If you decide to go this route, be extremely thorough with your financial information. The IRS rejects most offers that are incomplete or don't accurately reflect your ability to pay. There are good resources on the IRS website to help you through the process if you want to try it yourself.
I dunno if this helps but I didn't file for like 4 years and then got hit with a huge bill. I just called the IRS and said I can't pay it all and they put me on a payment plan for like $120/month. Super easy. Just file ur returns and call them.
With your income levels (~$230k + $105k), you're definitely going to want to file jointly. I'm a financial advisor and run these calculations all the time. MFJ will almost certainly be better than MFS in your situation. Regarding the Roth 401ks - just make sure you're not exceeding income limits. For 2025 filing, the income phase-out for Roth IRA contributions starts at $230k for MFJ. Your 401ks should be fine though.
Thanks for the advice! Just to clarify - are there income limits for Roth 401k contributions? I thought those were just for Roth IRAs.
You're absolutely right, and I should have been clearer. There are no income limits for Roth 401k contributions - those limits only apply to Roth IRAs. With your combined income, you would likely be in the phase-out range for direct Roth IRA contributions, but your Roth 401k contributions are completely fine regardless of income level. That's one advantage of the 401k version.
Has anyone considered that they might be better off delaying the house purchase until they figure out their tax situation? My wife and I bought in 2024 and it completely changed our tax planning.
I wouldn't delay a major life decision like buying a house just for tax reasons. The benefits of homeownership typically outweigh any short-term tax optimization.
GalaxyGuardian
Another thing to consider - even though you're not seeing a tax benefit now, keep tracking all potential deductions each year. Your situation might change! My first 2 years as a homeowner, I took the standard deduction. But by year 3, I had: - Higher mortgage interest (refinanced to a higher amount for renovations) - Larger charitable contributions (donated furniture during renovation) - Some major medical expenses - Higher state taxes after a promotion Suddenly itemizing made sense! So don't get discouraged, just because it doesn't help now doesn't mean it never will.
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Dmitry Popov
โขThat's really good to know! Do you have any recommendations for keeping track of all these potential deductions throughout the year? I feel like I might be missing stuff.
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GalaxyGuardian
โขI just use a simple spreadsheet with categories for each potential deduction - mortgage interest, property tax, charitable donations, medical expenses, etc. I update it monthly so I don't forget anything. Some tax software also has year-round tracking features or apps. The key is being consistent about saving receipts and documentation. I take photos of donation receipts immediately and save them to a specific folder. For medical expenses, I request year-end summaries from all my providers. It's also smart to check your itemized deductions against the standard deduction amount mid-year to see if you're on track to benefit from itemizing.
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Paolo Ricci
Quick tip for new homeowners: You may be able to deduct mortgage "points" if you paid any when buying your home. These are usually listed on your closing documents, not on Form 1098. Points paid when purchasing a primary residence are generally fully deductible in the year paid. Again, this only matters if you're itemizing, but it's something extra that might help you reach that threshold!
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Amina Toure
โขNot all points are deductible though. I learned this the hard way. Points for lowering your interest rate are deductible, but points that are really just fees disguised as points aren't. Check IRS Publication 936 for the full details.
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