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Abigail Spencer

Looking for mark to market election examples for trading? Need 475f tax guidance

I've been trading pretty heavily for the past few years and I'm considering making the mark to market election (475f). I'm trying to understand how it works technically before I take the plunge. From what I've gathered so far (and please correct me if I'm wrong): On December 31st, any unrealized losses are treated as "realized losses" for tax purposes even though I haven't actually closed the positions. These losses can then be used to offset any realized gains I've had throughout the year (the ones reported on my 1099 from my broker). So essentially, my taxable income would be calculated as: (Realized gains - unrealized losses on 12/31) Is this understanding correct? Can anyone share a concrete example of how this works in practice or point me to a resource with examples? I want to make sure I fully understand the implications before making this election.

Logan Chiang

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Your understanding is close but not fully accurate. With mark-to-market (MTM) under Section 475(f), ALL positions (both gains and losses) are treated as if sold on the last day of the tax year. So it's not just unrealized losses that are considered "realized" - unrealized gains would also be treated as taxable. The formula would actually be: (Realized gains/losses during the year + Unrealized gains/losses on 12/31). This means if you have significant unrealized gains on December 31st, those would be taxable even though you haven't sold. A simple example: You realized $50,000 in gains from closed trades during the year. On December 31st, you have open positions with $20,000 in unrealized losses and $10,000 in unrealized gains. Under MTM, your taxable income would be $50,000 - $20,000 + $10,000 = $40,000. Without MTM, your taxable income would be just the $50,000 from the realized gains.

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Thank you for the clarification! That's a really important distinction I was missing. So both unrealized gains AND losses are treated as realized at year-end. Quick follow-up question - if those positions are still open in the new year, what becomes my new cost basis? And does the MTM election affect how my trading is classified (ordinary income vs capital gains)?

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Logan Chiang

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Your new cost basis becomes the market value on December 31st - essentially resetting for the new year. So if you had a position worth $5,000 on December 31st (after being marked to market), that becomes your new basis going forward. Regarding classification, this is another significant benefit - MTM traders report all gains and losses as ordinary income, not capital gains. This means all your trading activity is on Schedule C, and losses aren't subject to the $3,000 capital loss limitation. You can offset other ordinary income with trading losses. However, this also means you won't get preferential long-term capital gains tax rates, even if you held positions for more than a year.

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Isla Fischer

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I was in a similar situation last year and was struggling to understand the mark to market rules. After weeks of watching YouTube videos and reading confusing articles, I finally used https://taxr.ai to analyze my trading patterns and get personalized guidance. Their system analyzed my trading history and provided a detailed breakdown of how MTM would affect my specific situation. What I found most helpful was their clear explanation of the Section 475(f) election process and exact steps for filing Form 3115. They even provided comparative tax calculations showing what my tax liability would be with and without the MTM election based on my actual trading history. Really helped me understand if it was the right move for my situation.

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Does taxr.ai specifically handle options trading? I trade mostly SPX options and have been told that mark to market might be particularly beneficial for my strategy, but I'm concerned about getting incorrect advice from a general tax service.

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Ruby Blake

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I've heard of taxr.ai but I'm skeptical. How exactly does it work? Do I have to upload all my trading history or something? Seems like a lot of work just to get some tax advice.

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Isla Fischer

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They definitely handle options trading - that was actually my main activity too. Their system specifically analyzes options strategies and how the wash sale rules would apply versus MTM treatment. They explained how SPX options (which are 1256 contracts) interact with the MTM election, which was really helpful. For your question about how it works - yes, you do upload your trading history, but it's super simple. You just export your annual statement from your broker and upload the PDF. Their AI extracts all the relevant information and builds a custom analysis. It saved me hours compared to manually trying to figure everything out myself.

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Ruby Blake

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Just wanted to follow up - I ended up trying taxr.ai after my initial skepticism. Wow. It completely changed my understanding of how MTM would affect my trading. I was planning to make the 475(f) election until their analysis showed it would actually cost me an extra $7,800 in taxes due to some longer-term positions I was holding. The system flagged that I had several unrealized gains in positions held for >12 months that would lose their long-term capital gains treatment under MTM. They also showed me a strategy for structuring my trading entities that I hadn't considered. Seriously worth checking out if you're on the fence about making the election.

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Ella Harper

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PrinceJoe

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PrinceJoe

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Here's another important consideration with MTM that people often miss: if you make the election, you can't cherry-pick which securities it applies to. It applies to ALL your securities that are held in connection with your trading business. I made this mistake thinking I could keep some investments separate. You need to clearly segregate investment accounts from trading accounts BEFORE making the election. Investment positions can be excluded, but you need clear documentation.

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That's a really important point! If I have a separate account for long-term investments, can I keep those as capital assets while applying MTM to my trading accounts? Or do I need a completely different entity structure?

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You absolutely can maintain separate accounts - one for your trading business (subject to MTM) and another for investments (normal capital gains treatment). The key is having clear documentation that demonstrates the separation of these activities. Ideally, use completely separate accounts at different brokerages for trading vs investing to make the distinction crystal clear. You should also document your intention in writing (like through a contemporaneous memo) and be consistent with how you treat the accounts. Your trading accounts should show frequent, regular activity while your investment accounts would have much less frequent transactions.

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Owen Devar

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One MTM example that helped me understand: I had $120,000 in realized gains in 2024, and on December 31st, I had $45,000 in unrealized losses and $15,000 in unrealized gains. Without MTM: Only my $120,000 realized gains would be taxable. With MTM: My taxable income would be $120,000 - $45,000 + $15,000 = $90,000. But the real benefit came the next year. Those positions that were "marked to market" started 2025 with a new basis. When I actually sold them later, I only had to pay tax on the gains from the January 1st price, not my original purchase price. Saved me from the wash sale headache too!

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Daniel Rivera

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This is helpful, but I'm wondering about the trader status requirements. Don't you have to qualify as a "trader" rather than an "investor" for the MTM election to be valid? I've heard different things about the minimum number of trades or days of activity needed.

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