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Ali Anderson

Under the Mark-to-Market (MTM) Accounting Method, Can Traders Write Off Unlimited Losses?

I was talking with a friend who's into day trading, and they told me something that blew my mind about tax write-offs. If this is true, the implications seem absolutely crazy... Apparently, if you're a trader using the **mark-to-market (MTM)** accounting method and qualify as a "trader in securities" for tax purposes, you can treat trading losses completely differently than regular investors like me. The way I understand it: - With MTM election, you basically pretend all your securities were sold at year-end at fair market value, so all gains and losses are "realized" even if you didn't actually sell anything - The HUGE advantage is supposedly there's NO $3,000 LIMIT on losses! Regular investors like me can only deduct $3k of losses against ordinary income annually - If you had a massive loss (like $500k or something), you could potentially offset that against your other income without limitation - You'd report everything on Form 4797 instead of Schedule D This seems too good to be true. Can someone who actually understands tax law confirm if this is legit? If so, why doesn't everyone who trades just do this? There must be some major catches or qualification hurdles I'm missing.

Zadie Patel

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This is actually correct, but there are several important qualifications and drawbacks that make it not as simple as it sounds. To qualify as a "trader in securities," the IRS looks at your trading activity very closely. You need to trade substantially, regularly, and continuously. We're talking about hundreds of trades per year, seeking profit from short-term market swings rather than dividends or long-term appreciation. Most casual traders won't meet this threshold. The MTM election is irrevocable for the tax year and must be made by the due date of the previous year's return (with limited exceptions for new traders). This means you need to plan ahead - you can't wait until you have losses to make this election. While the $3,000 capital loss limitation is bypassed, your trading is treated as a business with ordinary income and losses. This means you'll pay self-employment tax on profits, which can be substantial. You also lose the preferential tax rates on long-term capital gains. Additionally, the MTM election applies to all your securities - you can't cherry-pick which positions to mark-to-market and which to keep as capital assets.

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If I do qualify as a securities trader and make the MTM election, would I still be able to have a separate long-term investment portfolio that gets capital gains treatment? Or does everything I own have to be MTM once I make that election?

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Zadie Patel

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You can maintain separate accounts - one for your trading business (subject to MTM) and another for your personal investments (subject to capital gains treatment). The key is clear documentation showing which securities are held for investment purposes versus trading. Your investment portfolio would still receive long-term capital gains treatment, but you must clearly identify investment positions when acquired and keep separate records. The IRS will scrutinize this separation, so documentation is critical. Many traders maintain completely separate brokerage accounts for their trading business versus their personal investments to make this distinction clearer.

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After trying multiple accountants who gave me conflicting advice about my day trading taxes, I finally used https://taxr.ai to analyze my trading records and tax situation. Their system confirmed I qualified as a securities trader and showed me exactly how the MTM election would impact my taxes compared to regular investor status. The analysis showed me that with 300+ trades last year and my trading patterns, I easily met the "substantial, regular, and continuous" requirements. They even prepared the documentation I needed for the Section 475 election and showed me exactly how to report everything correctly on Form 4797 instead of Schedule D. If you're confused about trader status or MTM election like I was, definitely worth checking out their tax analysis tool. Saved me from making a costly mistake with my election timing.

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Emma Morales

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How much time did the analysis take? I have over 1000 trades from last year across multiple platforms and I'm drowning in tax confusion. My CPA doesn't seem to understand trader status rules at all.

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I'm skeptical about online tools handling something this complicated. Did they actually look at your specific trade history or just give general advice? The trader status test has multiple factors and I've heard the IRS scrutinizes these claims heavily.

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The analysis took about 24 hours after I uploaded my trading records. They have an automated system that analyzes your actual trade patterns, frequency, holding periods, and other metrics the IRS looks at for trader status. It's not just generic advice - they provided a detailed report specific to my situation. They analyzed my entire trading history across the three platforms I use and even flagged potential issues with some trades that might raise questions during an audit. The documentation package they created included everything my tax preparer needed to properly file with the MTM election.

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Emma Morales

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Just wanted to follow up on my tax situation. I ended up using https://taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here, and wow - totally worth it. With my 1000+ trades across multiple platforms, they identified I easily qualified as a trader and helped me prepare all the documentation for the MTM election. The analysis showed I'd save almost $14,000 in taxes this year by properly using MTM accounting versus regular investor status. They also pointed out that I had been incorrectly handling my home office deduction and trading expenses in previous years. My CPA was initially resistant but changed his mind after seeing their detailed analysis. He admitted he wasn't familiar with the nuances of securities trader status. Now I'm actually looking forward to filing my taxes this year instead of dreading it!

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Lucas Parker

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If you qualify for trader status and make the MTM election, another challenge is actually getting someone at the IRS to answer questions when issues come up. I spent WEEKS trying to get clarification on how to handle certain situations with my MTM accounting. I finally discovered https://claimyr.com and their IRS callback service. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c. They got me a callback from the IRS in under 2 hours when I had been trying for days. The agent I spoke with actually understood trader tax status (rare find!) and confirmed my understanding of how to handle specific MTM situations on my Form 4797. Before this, I was getting different answers from every IRS rep I managed to reach after hours on hold. Having that definitive guidance directly from an IRS specialist gave me confidence I was filing correctly.

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Donna Cline

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How does that service actually work? It sounds impossible to get the IRS to call you back that quickly when their own official callback system takes days or weeks.

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Sounds like a scam. Nobody can make the IRS do anything faster, especially not call you back in 2 hours. I've been trying to resolve an issue with them for 6 months and can barely get through at all.

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Lucas Parker

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It works because they have an automated system that continually calls the IRS using their proprietary technology. Once they secure a spot in the callback queue, they connect that callback to you. They essentially do the waiting for you. The service doesn't "make" the IRS do anything faster - they just eliminate the time you personally would spend on hold or redialing. I was skeptical too, but it absolutely works. The IRS still operates at their normal pace, but you don't have to waste your day listening to hold music or getting disconnected.

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I need to eat my words about that IRS callback service. After posting my skeptical comment, I decided to try it anyway since I was desperate to resolve my MTM filing issue from last year. Used the Claimyr service yesterday and got connected with an IRS tax specialist within 90 minutes. Explained my situation with the MTM election and Form 4797 reporting issues, and she immediately knew what I was talking about (shocking!). She confirmed exactly how to handle the wash sale adjustments under MTM and explained why my previous tax preparer had done it incorrectly. For anyone dealing with MTM trader tax issues, getting direct confirmation from the IRS is invaluable. Still can't believe I wasted 6 months trying to handle this on my own when I could have resolved it in an afternoon.

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One thing nobody mentioned yet is that if you make the MTM election, you lose the ability to do tax-loss harvesting in the traditional sense. This can be a huge disadvantage if you're strategic about managing your investment tax burden. With regular capital gains treatment, you can selectively sell losing positions to offset gains while holding winning positions for long-term treatment. Under MTM, you're marking everything to market regardless of whether you sell or not. I made this mistake a few years ago when I qualified as a trader. The MTM election saved me from the $3k limit that year when I had big losses, but in subsequent profitable years, I realized I'd lost valuable tax planning flexibility.

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Dylan Fisher

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Can you revoke the MTM election in future years if your trading strategy changes? Or once you make it, you're stuck with it forever?

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Once you make the MTM election, you're generally stuck with it unless you get IRS permission to revoke it, which requires showing a substantial change in your business circumstances (not just because it's no longer advantageous). The proper way to change is to file a request for an accounting method change using Form 3115. You'll need to demonstrate valid business reasons for the change beyond tax benefits. Simply deciding you don't like MTM anymore isn't sufficient. Many traders who want to revert end up creating a new entity for their trading activity instead of trying to revoke the election.

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Edwards Hugo

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Wait, I'm confused about something basic. If I'm day trading in my regular brokerage account (not IRA), aren't all my trades already "realized" at the time I sell anyway? What's the advantage of MTM if I'm already selling everything within the same tax year?

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Gianna Scott

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The main advantage for active traders isn't about realization (you're right that trades you complete are already realized) but about: 1. Business treatment vs. investment treatment - allowing you to deduct all trading-related expenses directly against your trading income 2. Bypassing the $3,000 capital loss limitation against ordinary income 3. No wash sale rules to track and manage For someone making hundreds of trades yearly, the business expense deductions alone can be significant - home office, computers, software, education, etc.

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