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Has anyone actually tried talking to the dealer about this? When I was in a similar situation last year, my dealer was willing to officially "deliver" the vehicle in January instead of December, even though it had arrived at their lot. They just held it an extra week and dated all the paperwork for January 2nd.
I actually did ask the dealer about this yesterday! They seemed open to the idea but weren't sure about the legal implications. Did you have any issues with the financing company or insurance when they delayed the official delivery date? What documentation did you end up using to prove the January delivery date to the IRS?
I didn't have any issues with financing or insurance. The dealer simply scheduled the "delivery appointment" for January 2nd, and all paperwork was dated that day - including the sale agreement, registration application, and delivery receipt. The loan wasn't finalized until that day either. For IRS documentation, I used the dated purchase agreement, the vehicle registration that showed the January date, and made sure the dealer noted "delivery date" specifically on the paperwork. I took pictures of me picking up the car on that date too, just to be safe. The key is having all official paperwork consistently show the January date.
I think everyone is overcomplicating this. I purchased my Tesla in late December 2022 but couldn't get it registered until January 2023 because the DMV was closed for the holidays. My accountant said the "placed in service" date was when it was registered, not delivered, and I successfully claimed the full credit without any issues.
That's not accurate advice and could potentially cause problems for the OP. The IRS is clear that "placed in service" is generally when you take possession and the vehicle is ready for use, not the registration date. Your situation may have worked out, but that doesn't mean it follows IRS guidelines. Registration timing doesn't determine the placed in service date.
I had this exact problem and TurboTax was NOT helpful! I ended up calculating my estimated payments manually and here's what worked for me: For Line 18, you need to list the DATE and AMOUNT of each payment you actually made, regardless of when it was due. The dates matter because the IRS calculates interest based on how late the payments were. If you have your bank records or IRS payment confirmations, just go through and list each payment chronologically with the exact date. Don't try to organize them by which quarter they were "for" - just list them in the order you paid them.
Don't panic about Form 2210! Most people get confused by it. One tip: if your total tax underpayment is less than $1,000, you may not even need to file this form at all - there's a safe harbor provision. If you're stuck on Line 18, just list all payments in chronological order with exact dates. And remember that even if you do have a penalty, it's just interest - not some huge fine. The penalty rates change quarterly but have been around 5-7% annually. Not pleasant but not the end of the world either!
To answer your original question - yes, people would definitely pay for this service, but the pricing model would need to be reasonable. I think most people would be open to a "finder's fee" model where you pay a percentage of whatever's recovered. The industry standard seems to be around 10-15% of recovered funds. Anything higher feels excessive since the money already belongs to the person. Some states actually cap how much these services can charge - I believe California limits it to 10%.
Isn't there something kind of predatory about charging people to get access to their own money though? Especially when the information is technically available for free?
It's definitely a fine line. The information is free, but the convenience, time savings, and expertise in navigating the claims process is what people are paying for. I don't think it's predatory if: 1) The fee is reasonable, 2) There's transparency about the fact that people could do this themselves, and 3) The service adds genuine value beyond what someone could easily do on their own. Many people genuinely don't have the time or knowledge to track down funds across multiple states and properly file claims, so they're willing to pay for that assistance.
What most people don't realize is that unclaimed funds go way beyond forgotten bank accounts. I used to work for my state's treasury department, and we'd see unclaimed property from: - Insurance policy payouts - Utility deposits - Uncashed paychecks - Stock dividends - Tax refunds - Security deposits - Contents of safe deposit boxes A notification service would be valuable if it could actually identify ALL types of unclaimed assets. The biggest challenge is accurately matching people to their funds since the state databases often have limited identifying information.
That's a great point! Do these notification services actually check for all those different types of unclaimed assets? Or do they just focus on the easy stuff like bank accounts?
Just to add something that hasn't been mentioned yet - if you're still having trouble after trying all these suggestions, contact your sister's state Department of Labor. Many states have laws requiring employers to provide final wage statements and other employment documents to authorized representatives. Sometimes a letter from a state agency carries more weight than one from a family member.
Would this work even if it's been several months since the person passed away? My grandfather died last summer and we're still trying to get his final documents from his employer.
Yes, it would still work even after several months. Most state labor departments will handle wage complaints going back at least a year, sometimes longer. The statute of limitations for wage-related claims is typically 2-3 years depending on the state. Just make sure you have the documentation showing you're authorized to act on behalf of the estate. Also bring copies of any communication you've had with the employer showing you've made reasonable attempts to get the documents.
Has anyone dealt with this situation for someone who worked in multiple states during their final year? My husband passed away in March and had jobs in both Texas and Oklahoma last year. Getting his W-2 from the Oklahoma employer has been impossible so far.
I helped settle my cousin's estate last year who worked in both New York and New Jersey. For the employer that wouldn't provide the W-2, we ended up having to file separate state returns and use Form 4852 as others have mentioned. The most important thing was having his last pay stubs from each state to verify the state withholding amounts.
Ella rollingthunder87
Sole proprietorship is the simplest business structure but just remember you'll need to pay self-employment tax (about 15.3%) on your photography income. Even if it's under $1k, you still need to report it.
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Owen Jenkins
ā¢Wait, self-employment tax is 15.3%?? That seems super high. Is that on top of regular income tax? I thought since I made less than $1,350 I might not even need to report it.
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Ella rollingthunder87
ā¢Yes, self-employment tax is 15.3% which covers Social Security and Medicare taxes. When you work for an employer, they pay half of this and you pay half, but as a self-employed person, you cover the entire amount. This is in addition to your regular income tax. However, there's good news - you only have to file and pay self-employment tax if your net earnings are $400 or more. So if your photography income after expenses is less than $400, you wouldn't owe self-employment tax. But you should still report the income on your tax return regardless of the amount. Those equipment deductions might actually bring your net profit below the $400 threshold, which would save you from owing the self-employment tax.
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Yara Campbell
Don't forget you can also write off other stuff besides just equipment! I do wedding photography and deduct my website costs, part of my cell phone bill, mileage to/from shoots, lightroom subscription, business cards, etc.
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Isaac Wright
ā¢Can you write off education costs too? I took some online photography courses to improve my skills.
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