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does anybody know if u can still contribute to HSA for 2023 taxes? i got a big tax bill and need more deductions. my w2 code w was only $1500 and my employer put in $750 of that.
thx so much! so i could put in like $6,250 more right now and use it as a deduction for 2023? i have family coverage so the limit would be $7,750 and only $1,500 was already put in? that would really help my tax situation if im understanding correctly.
Yes, exactly! With family coverage and only $1,500 already contributed in 2023, you could add up to $6,250 more before the April 15th deadline and claim it as a 2023 deduction. Just make sure to specify it's for the 2023 tax year when you make the contribution. This is one of the great benefits of HSAs - you get until the tax filing deadline to maximize your contributions for the previous year. It's essentially a last-minute tax deduction opportunity that can really help reduce your tax bill. Just double-check with your HSA provider about the process for designating prior-year contributions.
Just wanted to add another important point about HSA contributions and Box 12 Code W - if you changed jobs during the year and had HSA contributions from multiple employers, you need to be extra careful about tracking everything. I had this situation last year where I worked for two different companies, each with their own HSA setup. My W2s showed different Code W amounts, and I also made some direct contributions. It was a nightmare to figure out what was deductible until I realized I needed to add up ALL employer contributions from both jobs, then subtract that total from ALL HSA contributions I made during the year. The key is making sure you don't accidentally double-count anything or miss contributions from a previous employer. Your HSA provider should send you Form 5498-SA showing all contributions received, which helps verify everything matches up with your W2 reporting. Also worth noting - if you had high-deductible health plan coverage for only part of the year (like if you started a new job mid-year), your contribution limit gets prorated, which affects how much you can actually deduct. The IRS has a worksheet for this calculation that's pretty helpful.
Has anyone addressed the issue of self-employment taxes in this scenario? If the kids are paid through the Family Management LLC as independent contractors, they'll owe self-employment tax (15.3%) on their earnings. If they're employees of the LLC, the LLC will need to handle payroll taxes. Either way, there's no avoiding FICA taxes completely in this arrangement, which is something to factor into your calculations.
This is a solid tax strategy if executed properly, but I'd strongly recommend getting everything documented before you start. The key is making sure the work arrangement has genuine business substance. A few practical tips from my experience with similar setups: 1. Have your kids punch in/out with a simple time tracking system - even a basic app works 2. Create written job descriptions that match what outside contractors would do 3. Pay them via direct deposit to their own bank accounts (not cash) 4. Keep the LLC and S-Corp completely separate - different bank accounts, proper invoicing between entities One thing to watch: if your kids are under 18 and this is structured as a sole proprietorship or partnership (with only you and your spouse), they may be exempt from FICA taxes. But since you're talking about an LLC structure, that exemption likely won't apply. The expenses you listed (car payments, school tuition, etc.) are perfectly fine uses of their earned income. Once they're legitimately paid for real work, it's their money to spend as they choose. Just make sure the compensation is reasonable for the work performed - research what you'd pay outsiders for similar services and use that as your benchmark.
This is really helpful advice! I'm just starting to explore this option for my own family business and wondering about the practical side - how do you handle the invoicing between the S-Corp and LLC? Do you need formal contracts or is a simple invoice sufficient? Also, when you mention researching what you'd pay outsiders - are there specific resources you'd recommend for finding market rates for things like office cleaning and data entry performed by teenagers? I want to make sure I'm setting fair compensation that won't raise any red flags.
Anybody know if net investment income is also subject to the additional Medicare tax? I'm in a similar MFS situation but also have some investment income.
There's actually a separate tax called the Net Investment Income Tax (NIIT) that applies to investment income at 3.8% when you're over certain thresholds. It's similar to but different from the Additional Medicare Tax. For Married Filing Separately, the NIIT threshold is also $125,000. So if your MAGI exceeds $125,000, your investment income (interest, dividends, capital gains, etc.) would be subject to this additional 3.8% tax. It's calculated on Form 8960, not Form 8959 which is for the Additional Medicare Tax on wages.
Just wanted to add a practical tip for anyone dealing with this situation - if you know you're going to owe Additional Medicare Tax because of the withholding/threshold mismatch, consider making estimated tax payments throughout the year to avoid underpayment penalties. I learned this the hard way when I was MFS and earning around $160k. Even though my employer wasn't withholding the additional Medicare tax (since I was under $200k), I still owed it at the $125k threshold. The IRS hit me with an underpayment penalty because I didn't make quarterly payments to cover the gap. You can use Form 1040ES to calculate and make these payments online. It's much easier than dealing with a surprise tax bill and penalty in April.
This is such an important point that I wish more people knew about! I'm new to this whole Medicare tax situation since I just started earning over the threshold, and I had no idea about the underpayment penalty risk. Quick question - when you calculate the estimated payments on Form 1040ES, does it automatically account for the Additional Medicare Tax or do you have to add that manually? I'm trying to figure out how much I should be paying quarterly to avoid getting hit with penalties like you did.
Has anyone used both Guideline and Gusto for the retirement plan setup? I'm trying to figure out if having them integrated makes it easier to claim these Secure Act 2.0 credits or if it's basically the same no matter which provider you use.
We use the Gusto + Guideline integration for our 15-person company and it's been great. The integration makes it super easy to manage contributions and Guideline provided documentation specifically for claiming the Secure Act credits. They automatically track qualifying expenses which made Form 8881 much easier to complete.
I've been following this thread closely as I'm in a similar situation with my small consulting firm (6 employees, also S-Corp structure). Based on everyone's experiences here, it sounds like the key is making sure you have proper documentation of all setup costs and that your payroll provider can generate the right reports for Form 8881. One thing I'd add - if you're already using Gusto, they actually have some built-in retirement plan options that qualify for Secure Act 2.0 credits. You might want to check with them specifically about their 401(k) offerings rather than going with a separate provider. Sometimes having everything integrated makes the reporting cleaner come tax time. Also, since you mentioned being confused about the credits - the IRS actually published some updated guidance in late 2023 (Notice 2023-75) that clarifies a lot of the questions people have been asking in this thread. Worth checking out if you want the official details rather than relying on third-party interpretations.
Thanks for mentioning Notice 2023-75! I've been struggling to find clear official guidance on these credits. Just looked it up and it's exactly what I needed - especially the part about how the employer contribution credit works for different business structures. One question though - do you know if there are any deadlines we need to be aware of for setting up the retirement plan to qualify for the 2024 tax year credits? I'm worried we might be cutting it close if we wait much longer to get started.
NebulaNinja
I was in this exact situation on April 2nd last year. You need to check your actual tax transcript by May 15th at the latest to see your true tax situation. The refund anticipation loan companies make decisions based on their risk assessment as of April 2024, not your actual tax liability. If you filed electronically on or before April 15th, you should see your actual refund status by May 1st at the latest. Don't wait until June to figure this out!
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Quinn Herbert
Hey Miguel! I totally get the confusion - been there myself. A loan denial definitely doesn't mean you owe the IRS. These anticipation loan companies are super picky about credit scores, income verification, and even processing delays. They'd rather reject you than risk not getting paid back. Quick things to check: Log into your IRS account online and look at your tax transcript - that'll show you exactly what the IRS has on file. Also use the "Where's My Refund" tool to see your actual status. If you're still worried, double-check your math on forms like your W-2s and 1099s. The loan company probably just saw something that made them nervous about timing or your credit profile. Doesn't reflect on whether you actually owe taxes. Hope that helps ease some stress!
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