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Emma Wilson

Is burglary considered a casualty loss for tax deduction purposes?

I'm taking this tax accounting class in college right now and we have this case study about a woman who had jewelry worth about $7,200 stolen from her home. The weird thing is she never filed a police report and didn't make an insurance claim either. The jewelry was never recovered. I'm trying to figure out if this would qualify as a casualty loss deduction where you subtract $100. My gut feeling is no because it's not related to a business expense, but I'm not 100% sure on this. The professor is really strict about getting these details right, and I couldn't find a clear answer in our textbook. Does anyone know the correct treatment for this type of loss on personal taxes? Would appreciate any insight before I turn in this assignment!

Malik Davis

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The theft of personal items like jewelry can indeed qualify as a casualty loss for tax purposes, but there are important requirements that must be met. First, theft losses of personal property are deductible as itemized deductions on Schedule A. However, beginning with the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2018-2025), personal casualty and theft losses are only deductible if they're attributable to a federally declared disaster. For your case study, there's a significant issue - no police report was filed. The IRS typically requires documentation of theft, including a police report. Without this documentation, it would be extremely difficult to claim this as a casualty loss, regardless of whether it was business-related or not. Even if this occurred before the TCJA limitations or if exceptions applied, the lack of a police report and insurance claim creates a documentation problem that would likely result in the deduction being disallowed upon examination.

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Wait, so even if this happened before 2018, you're saying she would still need a police report? What if she has other proof like photos of the jewelry or receipts? Does the IRS automatically reject all theft claims without police reports?

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Malik Davis

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Even before 2018, the IRS would expect documentation supporting the theft claim. While a police report isn't technically mandatory by law, it's considered primary evidence of theft. Without it, the burden of proof becomes much higher. Other documentation like photographs, appraisals, receipts, or witness statements could potentially be used, but the taxpayer would face increased scrutiny. The IRS doesn't automatically reject claims without police reports, but they would likely question why no report was filed, which often raises red flags about the legitimacy of the claim.

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Ravi Gupta

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After dealing with a similar situation myself, I ended up using https://taxr.ai to verify the exact requirements for casualty and theft losses. The tool analyzed my documentation and flagged exactly what I was missing before I submitted my return. For your case study, the lack of police report is definitely problematic. When I uploaded the IRS publications to taxr.ai, it highlighted that theft losses specifically require you to show evidence that your property was stolen, not lost or misplaced. Without a police report, the IRS often questions whether a theft actually occurred. The tool also clarified the timeline changes - pre-2018 personal theft losses had different rules than current ones (which are limited to federally declared disasters as the expert mentioned).

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GalacticGuru

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Ravi Gupta

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Omar Fawaz

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Omar Fawaz

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Diego Vargas

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For your case study, here's another angle to consider: the IRS actually has a specific publication that covers this - Publication 547 "Casualties, Disasters, and Thefts." It specifically states that you need to prove: - The loss actually happened - You were the owner of the property - The actual value of what was stolen Without a police report, the first requirement is incredibly hard to prove. The IRS isn't just going to take someone's word that $7,200 in jewelry vanished. They'd question why someone wouldn't report such a significant theft. Additionally, if this person had homeowner's or renter's insurance that would have covered the loss, the IRS would question why they didn't file a claim. It suggests the story might not hold up to scrutiny.

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StarStrider

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Does the amount matter? Like if it was just a $100 item stolen vs. thousands in jewelry? I had a package stolen from my porch last year and didn't bother with a police report because it was only worth about $75.

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The amount absolutely matters for practical purposes, but not technically in the requirements. With a $7,200 theft, the IRS would find it highly unusual that someone wouldn't file a police report or insurance claim. For your $75 package situation, while technically the same rules apply, the reality is different. First, it falls below the $100 threshold reduction for casualty losses. Second, even if it were above that threshold, under current rules (2018-2025), you couldn't deduct it unless it was connected to a federally declared disaster. And third, even if rules change back, most people wouldn't itemize for such a small amount since the standard deduction is so high now.

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Sean Doyle

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Just my 2 cents, but for your college assignment, I think you could include both answers. The technical answer: Pre-2018, this could potentially qualify as a casualty loss EXCEPT for the missing police report, which creates a documentation problem. Post-2018, it doesn't qualify at all unless connected to a federally declared disaster. The practical answer: This would almost certainly be rejected in an audit because: - No police report - No insurance claim despite significant value - No explanation for why these weren't filed Maybe you could include both perspectives? Your professor might appreciate showing that you understand both the letter of the tax law and how it's actually applied in practice.

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Emma Wilson

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This is super helpful! I think I'll definitely take this dual approach in my answer. My professor loves when we think beyond just the technical rules and consider real-world application. Do you think I should mention anything about potential red flags this might raise with the IRS? Like could they see this as a potential attempt at tax fraud since there's no documentation?

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Yara Sabbagh

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That's a great point to consider! While the IRS wouldn't automatically assume fraud, they would definitely view this as a high-risk claim that could trigger additional scrutiny. The combination of no police report + no insurance claim + significant dollar amount creates what the IRS calls "badges of fraud" - not proof of fraud, but patterns that raise questions. They might wonder if the jewelry actually existed, was actually stolen, or was properly valued. For your assignment, you could mention that while this might not be intentional fraud, it demonstrates why proper documentation is so critical. The IRS has to protect against both honest mistakes and deliberate abuse of the tax system. Without supporting documentation, they can't distinguish between the two. Your professor will probably be impressed that you're thinking about the compliance and enforcement side of tax law, not just the technical rules!

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Great discussion everyone! As someone who's dealt with tax compliance issues professionally, I wanted to add one more practical consideration for your assignment. The IRS has something called the "reasonable basis" standard for tax positions. Even if the technical rules might allow a deduction, you need a reasonable basis for taking that position. In this case study, the lack of documentation creates a situation where there's no reasonable basis to claim the loss occurred as described. This is actually a perfect example of why tax preparation isn't just about knowing the rules - it's about understanding what positions you can reasonably defend. A good tax professional would refuse to prepare a return claiming this deduction without proper documentation, regardless of what the technical rules say. For your case study analysis, you might want to mention that this situation highlights the difference between what's theoretically possible under tax law versus what's practically advisable. It's a distinction that becomes really important when you're working with real clients and real consequences. Your professor will probably appreciate seeing that you understand both the academic side and the professional responsibility aspects of tax practice.

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This is exactly the kind of insight I was hoping to get! The "reasonable basis" standard is something we haven't covered much in class yet, but it makes total sense. I never thought about how tax preparers have to consider not just what's technically allowed, but what they can actually defend. This whole thread has been incredibly helpful for understanding the real-world complexity behind what seemed like a straightforward question. I'm definitely going to structure my answer around the technical rules versus practical application, and now I can add this professional responsibility angle too. Thanks everyone for taking the time to help a student out - this discussion has taught me way more than just flipping through the textbook!

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Amy Fleming

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As a tax professional who's seen similar cases, I want to emphasize something that might help with your assignment: the IRS actually has a specific burden of proof framework for theft losses that your textbook might not fully cover. Under IRC Section 165(c)(3), theft losses require what's called "objective evidence" of the theft. The IRS Revenue Ruling 72-112 specifically addresses situations where taxpayers claim theft without police reports. The ruling essentially states that while a police report isn't absolutely mandatory, the taxpayer must provide "clear and convincing evidence" that a theft occurred. In your case study, the woman would need to explain why she didn't report a $7,200 theft to police or insurance. Without a reasonable explanation (like fear of retaliation, being undocumented, etc.), the IRS would likely view this as fabricated. For your assignment, you might want to research Treasury Regulation 1.165-8(d), which outlines the specific documentation requirements for theft losses. It's more detailed than most textbooks cover and shows the complexity behind what seems like a simple deduction. The key insight for your professor: this case perfectly illustrates why tax law requires both meeting technical requirements AND providing adequate substantiation. Both elements must be satisfied for any deduction to be valid.

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