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Mateo Warren

Can I deduct casualty and theft loss from my vandalized vacation rental on Schedule A, line 16?

Hey tax folks, I need some advice. My vacation rental property was recently vandalized and several items were stolen. Total mess. I'm trying to figure out if I can deduct this as a casualty and theft loss on Schedule A, line 16 for my taxes. The property generates rental income when I'm not using it, and this happened during the off-season when it was vacant. I've filed an insurance claim, but my deductible is $2,500 and the total damage/theft is estimated around $2,300, so I'll be paying everything out of pocket anyway. From what I understand, there might be different rules for income-producing properties versus personal use. Does anyone know if I can claim this loss as an itemized deduction? And if so, exactly where and how to report it? Really appreciate any help!

Sofia Price

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You've got a slightly complicated situation because your property is mixed-use (personal and income-producing). The deduction rules for casualty and theft losses depend on how the property is classified. For income-producing properties, casualty and theft losses are generally deductible as ordinary losses and aren't subject to the personal casualty loss limitations. These would typically go on Form 4684 and then flow to Schedule A. However, since your property is also used personally, you'll need to allocate the loss between business and personal use based on your usage percentages. The personal portion may be limited since the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (through 2025) only allows personal casualty loss deductions if they're due to a federally declared disaster. The business portion doesn't have this limitation. Since your insurance deductible exceeds the loss amount, you'll essentially be reporting the entire loss without reimbursement. Make sure to document everything thoroughly - photos of damage, receipts for stolen items, repair estimates, police reports, etc.

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Alice Coleman

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Thanks for explaining, but I'm a bit confused. If my property is rented out about 70% of the year and used personally 30%, do I allocate the loss that way? And does that mean I can only deduct 70% of my loss since the personal portion is limited to federally declared disasters?

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Sofia Price

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Yes, that's exactly how you would handle it. If your property is rented 70% of the time and personal 30%, you'd allocate your $2,300 loss accordingly - about $1,610 would be considered business-related and fully deductible, while the remaining $690 would be personal and subject to the federally declared disaster limitation. Since this wasn't a federally declared disaster, you can only deduct the business portion ($1,610) on Form 4684, Section B for business and income-producing property. This will ultimately flow to Schedule A as an itemized deduction. Make sure to keep detailed records showing how you calculated your rental vs. personal use percentages.

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Arjun Patel

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One thing nobody's mentioned is the $100 floor and 10% AGI limitation for personal casualty losses (for the portion that's personal use). Even for the business portion, you'll need to complete Form 4684 correctly to calculate your allowable loss. When my mountain cabin was damaged, I found that keeping a rental log showing exact days rented vs. personal use was crucial documentation. My accountant said the IRS looks closely at these mixed-use property deductions.

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Mateo Warren

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Thanks for adding this! I do keep detailed rental logs, fortunately. But I'm still confused about the $100 floor and 10% AGI limitation - I thought those only applied to personal casualty losses from federally declared disasters after the TCJA? Does that mean I might not be able to deduct much of anything since this wasn't a declared disaster?

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Arjun Patel

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You're right that currently (through 2025) personal casualty losses are only deductible if they're from federally declared disasters. So for the personal-use portion of your property, you likely can't deduct anything unless your area was declared a disaster zone. For the business/rental portion, the $100 floor and 10% AGI limitations don't apply. That portion is fully deductible as an ordinary loss on Form 4684 Section B. So if your property is used 70% for business and 30% personal, you'd potentially be able to deduct 70% of your loss without those limitations.

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Jade Lopez

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Random question - does anyone know if security camera installations would be deductible after a theft/vandalism incident at a vacation rental? I'm thinking of adding them to prevent future issues.

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Tony Brooks

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Yes, security cameras for a rental property would be a deductible expense, but they'd be depreciated as improvements to the property rather than deducted as a casualty loss recovery expense. The business portion would be deductible based on your rental/personal use allocation.

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Jade Lopez

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Thanks for the info! That makes sense to depreciate them as improvements. I'll make sure to track the installation costs separately from the repair expenses for the damage.

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