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Dylan Cooper

How to Claim Casualty/Theft Losses from Tenant Vandalism on Form 4684 for Rental Property

I'm dealing with a nightmare situation with my rental property and trying to figure out how to properly file Form 4684 for casualty/theft losses from tenant vandalism. This happened in 2022 during that weird period when evictions were complicated. I had a tenant from hell who basically destroyed my income-producing rental property (duplex) over about 6 weeks. The damage is extensive: - Tampered with water lines to bypass the meter - Caused major water damage - bathroom leak destroyed kitchen ceiling below - Removed entire interior walls (yes, ENTIRE walls gone) - Locked pets in a room that's now saturated with animal waste - Rewired electrical to steal power from adjacent unit - Infested the place with rodents in the walls requiring total drywall removal - Stripped copper from the HVAC system I filed for emergency eviction but the tenant disappeared before anything was finalized. Police documented the condition when confirming he was gone. The tenant later got arrested for unrelated crimes, but pursuing him for damages seemed pointless given his lack of assets and criminal history. Since this happened during a time when contractors were impossible to find, I've done most repairs myself. I've documented with photos and kept receipts from hardware stores (about $16k so far), but this doesn't account for my labor or the fact that I'm upgrading some things during repairs. My main confusion is with Form 4684 (Part B for income-producing property). I know my basis before the damage was my purchase price ($225k), but how do I determine the basis after the damage occurred? I can't get a retroactive appraisal now that I've already made partial repairs. My estimate is the tenant's destruction reduced the property value by about 25% (from $225k to around $169k). A quick conversation with an appraiser confirmed that exposed structure and the extent of damage would make the property unmarketable as-is. How do I properly document and claim this loss when I've already partially repaired the property myself?

Sofia Perez

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Having dealt with similar situations, I can help clarify how to handle this on Form 4684. The good news is that since this is an income-producing property, you don't face the same limitations as personal residences. For calculating your loss, you're on the right track with using your purchase price as the basis before the casualty. For the basis after the damage, you have a few options despite having already done repairs. The IRS allows for reasonable estimation methods when exact figures aren't available. Since you have photos documenting the damage, these will be extremely valuable. Combined with your materials receipts ($16k) and a reasonable estimate for labor costs (even if it was your own labor), you can establish a defensible position. Get a written statement from that appraiser you spoke with about the impact on marketability - even a brief email would help substantiate your 25% reduction claim. For your labor, calculate what a contractor would have charged for similar work. Industry standards suggest multiplying material costs by 2-2.5 to account for labor, so your $16k in materials might represent $32k-$40k in total repair value. Make sure to keep all police reports, eviction filing documentation, and dated photographs. If you're concerned about documentation, consider having a real estate professional provide a written statement about typical value reduction for the type of damage you experienced.

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This is helpful but I'm confused about timing. Since the damage happened in 2022 and we're now in 2025, can I still claim this loss on this year's taxes? Or should I file an amendment for a previous year? Also, does it matter that I didn't file an insurance claim? (Deductible was high and I was worried about future premium increases

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Sofia Perez

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You'll need to claim the loss for the tax year when it occurred - 2022 in your case. This would require filing an amended return (Form 1040-X) along with Form 4684 for that tax year. The IRS generally allows amendments within 3 years of the original filing date, so you're still within the window. Regarding insurance, you're required to report whether you had coverage and filed a claim. If you chose not to file due to a high deductible, that's completely acceptable - just document your reasoning. You'll need to reduce your claimed loss by any potential reimbursement you could have received, but if the deductible exceeded or was close to the damage amount, this may not impact your claim significantly.

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Ava Johnson

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How does taxr.ai actually work with property damage claims? I've got a similar situation but with flood damage that my insurance only partially covered. Do they help with figuring out the difference between insurance coverage and actual loss?

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Miguel Diaz

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I'm skeptical about these online services. Don't you worry about giving them access to all your financial documents? And can they really handle something as specific as tenant vandalism vs natural disaster losses? The IRS treats these differently.

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Miguel Diaz

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Zainab Ahmed

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Connor Byrne

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Yara Abboud

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I'm calling BS on this. No way you got actual useful tax advice from an IRS phone rep. I've called dozens of times and they either give general information or tell you to consult a tax professional. They definitely don't give specific guidance on calculating decrease in fair market value.

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Zainab Ahmed

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Yara Abboud

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I have to eat my words about Claimyr. After my skeptical comment, I tried it because I was completely stuck on a rental property casualty loss issue similar to the original post. I couldn't believe it when I actually got through to the IRS in about 25 minutes after trying unsuccessfully for weeks on my own. The agent I spoke with directed me to the specific IRS publication that addresses determining fair market value reduction for partially repaired properties (Publication 547). They explained that contemporaneous photos combined with contractor estimates for similar repairs would be sufficient documentation, even if I did the work myself. The agent also clarified that I needed to reduce my property's basis going forward by the amount of the casualty loss I claimed - something I would have definitely messed up. I'm still working through the paperwork, but having actual guidance from the IRS gives me much more confidence that I'm doing this correctly. Definitely worth the service fee to avoid hours of hold music and potentially thousands in incorrect deductions.

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PixelPioneer

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Don't forget about depreciation recapture when calculating your basis. If you've been claiming depreciation on the rental (which you should be), your basis isn't just your purchase price - it's reduced by all the depreciation you've claimed over the years. This will affect your casualty loss calculation. Also, technically what you're describing might not be a "casualty" loss in IRS terms but rather property damage that should be handled differently. Casualty losses are typically sudden events like storms, fires, etc. Tenant damage over time might need to be treated as regular repairs or capital improvements depending on the nature of the damage.

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Dylan Cooper

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Thanks for mentioning the depreciation issue. I have been claiming depreciation (about $22k total so far), so my adjusted basis before the damage would be around $203k rather than the original $225k. But regarding this not being a casualty loss - from my research, the IRS specifically lists vandalism as qualifying for casualty loss treatment on Form 4684. Since this was deliberate, malicious damage rather than normal wear and tear, it seems to qualify. The damage all happened within a 6-week period, which is considered "sudden" enough for casualty treatment. Am I misunderstanding something?

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PixelPioneer

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You're absolutely right about vandalism qualifying as a casualty loss - I was thinking more about gradual damage scenarios. Since this was deliberate, malicious damage that occurred over a relatively short period, it definitely qualifies for Form 4684 treatment. Your adjusted basis calculation is correct too. Using the $203k figure as your starting point will give you the accurate loss calculation. Just make sure you're only claiming the permanent, non-repairable damage as part of your casualty loss. Anything you've already restored would technically reduce the overall loss amount.

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One more thing to consider - the timing of when you discovered the damage vs when it actually occurred can matter for which tax year you claim it in. If you discovered all this damage in early 2023 even though it happened in late 2022, you might have the option of which year to claim it in.

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Paolo Rizzo

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This is incorrect advice. Casualty losses must be claimed in the year they occurred, not when they were discovered. The only exception is for federally declared disaster areas, which this isn't. Please be careful about spreading misinformation.

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Dmitry Petrov

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I went through a very similar situation with tenant vandalism in 2021, and I can share some specific insights about the Form 4684 process that might help you. First, your approach is mostly correct - you'll need to file an amended return for 2022 since that's when the damage occurred. The key is properly documenting the "before and after" fair market value, which you can do even with partial repairs completed. For the fair market value calculation, the IRS accepts what's called the "cost to repair" method when you can't get a formal appraisal. Since you have $16k in documented materials costs, multiply this by 2.5-3 to estimate total repair costs (including labor). This gives you a reasonable estimate of value reduction that the IRS will accept if properly documented. Make sure you're also accounting for lost rental income during the repair period - this can be claimed as additional casualty loss if you can show the property was uninhabitable and you lost actual rental income. One critical point: save all your "before" photos and get a written statement from that appraiser you mentioned, even if it's just a brief email confirming the damage would have made the property unmarketable. The IRS loves contemporaneous documentation. Also, since you mentioned the tenant was arrested, try to get a copy of any police reports or court documents that reference the property damage - this strengthens your case that it was vandalism rather than normal wear and tear. Your estimated 25% value reduction seems reasonable given the scope of damage you described. With proper documentation, this should be a solid casualty loss claim.

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Honorah King

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This is really comprehensive advice, thank you! I hadn't considered the lost rental income aspect - the property was definitely uninhabitable for about 4 months while I did repairs. I was getting $1,800/month rent, so that's another $7,200 in losses I could potentially claim. One question about the "cost to repair" method - when you multiply materials by 2.5-3x, is that something the IRS specifically recognizes, or just an industry standard? I want to make sure I can defend that calculation if questioned. Also, regarding the police reports - they documented the condition when confirming the tenant had vacated, but didn't specifically investigate it as vandalism since the tenant was gone. Would that still be useful documentation, or should I try to get something more specific about the criminal nature of the damage?

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