How to properly establish values for casualty and theft deduction after FEMA declared disasters?
Last year we got hit with back-to-back storms that absolutely wrecked our property. The first one flooded our basement pretty badly, and just when we were starting to clean that up, the second storm came through and not only flooded the basement AGAIN but also destroyed part of our fence and washed out our retaining wall. Both storms ended up being declared Major Disasters by FEMA. I'm trying to figure out how to claim the casualty and theft deduction on our taxes and I'm using publication 584's workbook to help with the numbers. From what I understand, I need to use the smaller of: a) cost or other basis, or b) fair market value before minus fair market value after. My question is - how do I actually establish these values? Our home is about 15 years old, so the fence and retaining wall weren't new. The basement had some finished areas that got ruined. Do I need professional appraisals? Can I use contractor estimates? What documentation is required by the IRS to support the fair market values before and after these disasters?
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Bruno Simmons
This is a great question! For casualty and theft deductions related to FEMA-declared disasters, you have several options for establishing values. For determining the "fair market value before" and "fair market value after," you don't necessarily need formal appraisals, though they can be helpful. Contractor repair estimates are perfectly acceptable documentation. Take photos of all damage if you haven't already. For the fence and retaining wall, find out what similar structures cost in your area now, then factor in depreciation based on their age to establish pre-disaster value. The basement finished areas would be valued based on the original cost minus depreciation for the "before" value. Save all receipts for repairs and replacements as these help establish the "after" value difference.
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Aileen Rodriguez
•So if I understand correctly, I can use my contractor's estimate of $15,000 to fix everything as proof of the "after" value being lower? And for the "before" value, can I just use what my insurance adjuster estimated before they applied my deductible? They said my fence was worth about $8,000 before the damage (it's 12 years old).
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Bruno Simmons
•Yes, the contractor's $15,000 repair estimate is excellent documentation for establishing the decrease in value. Insurance adjuster estimates are actually some of the best documentation you can use, so definitely include that $8,000 valuation for your fence. For the basement, if your insurance provided specific values for those finished areas, use those figures as well. Just make sure you're documenting each damaged item separately in your casualty loss workbook, since you mentioned multiple incidents and various property components were affected.
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Zane Gray
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Maggie Martinez
•How does this service work exactly? Do they just give you general advice or do they actually look at your specific documents and tell you what values to claim? Seems like it would be super helpful because I'm also dealing with figuring out values for storm damage.
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Alejandro Castro
•I'm skeptical about using any service for this. Wouldn't it be cheaper to just call the IRS directly and ask them how to establish values? They're the ones who'll be reviewing the deduction anyway.
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Zane Gray
•They actually review your specific documents like repair estimates, insurance claims, and photos, then help determine the appropriate values for each damaged item. They analyzed my contractor quotes, insurance adjuster reports, and even helped me properly calculate depreciation on my 10-year-old fence that was destroyed. Regarding calling the IRS directly, that's definitely an option, but in my experience, it took multiple attempts to reach someone, and they only provided general guidance rather than specific analysis of my documentation and values. With multiple damaged items across different disaster declarations like the original poster has, I found having someone actually review all my paperwork was worth it.
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Maggie Martinez
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Monique Byrd
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Jackie Martinez
•Wait, I don't understand... how does this actually work? You pay someone else to wait on hold with the IRS for you? How do they transfer the call to you once they reach someone?
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Alejandro Castro
•This sounds too good to be true. I've tried calling the IRS multiple times about property valuation for disaster losses and they're NEVER helpful. They just read generic information from their website. I doubt any service could get better results.
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Monique Byrd
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Alejandro Castro
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Lia Quinn
Don't forget that casualty losses in federally declared disaster areas can be claimed either in the year the disaster occurred OR in the previous tax year by filing an amended return. This might be beneficial depending on your income situation in each year. Also, remember there are AGI limitations and thresholds that apply to casualty losses ($100 per event and 10% of AGI).
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Haley Stokes
•Wait, so for the original poster with two separate FEMA disasters, does that mean they have to apply the $100 reduction twice? And is the 10% AGI threshold applied to each disaster separately or to the combined total?
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Lia Quinn
•Yes, the $100 reduction applies to each separate casualty event, so in the original poster's case with two different storms declared as disasters, they would subtract $100 from each event's loss calculation. The 10% of AGI limitation applies to the combined total of all casualty losses for the year after you've applied the $100 per-event reduction. So you'd calculate each storm damage separately, subtract $100 from each, combine them, and then apply the 10% of AGI threshold to that total amount.
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Asher Levin
For establishing fair market value, I found it helpful to search online for similar items. For example, when our fence was damaged in a storm, I looked up the current cost of the same type of fencing in our area, then depreciated it based on the age of our fence (about 5% per year). Home Depot and Lowe's websites were useful for current replacement costs.
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Lourdes Fox
•Thanks for the tip! Did you just print out the online listings as documentation? And for the basement damage, did you use a similar approach for the finished areas that were ruined?
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Asher Levin
•Yes, I printed the online listings and saved them as PDFs too. I made notes on each one showing my depreciation calculations. For our basement (we had water damage too), I used contractor estimates for current replacement cost and then calculated depreciation based on when we'd finished the basement. I created a simple spreadsheet with columns for: original cost (when known), estimated replacement cost now, age of item, depreciation percentage, fair market value before disaster, fair market value after disaster, and the difference. The IRS agent I spoke with said this was excellent documentation.
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Serene Snow
Just a heads up - if your insurance reimbursed you for any of the damage, you need to subtract that from your casualty loss calculation. The IRS only allows you to deduct losses that weren't covered by insurance. Same goes for any FEMA assistance you received for repairs.
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Issac Nightingale
•Does this apply even if the insurance payout was less than the total damage? My insurance covered $7,500 of about $20,000 in flood damage.
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Serene Snow
•Yes, you would only include the portion that wasn't reimbursed. In your case, you could potentially claim the remaining $12,500 that insurance didn't cover ($20,000 damage minus $7,500 insurance payout), subject to the $100 per event reduction and the 10% of AGI limitation. Remember to keep all documentation showing both the total damage amount and the insurance payout.
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Emily Thompson
I went through something very similar after Hurricane damage last year. For documentation, I found that taking detailed photos before any cleanup was crucial - I wish I had taken more! The IRS accepts multiple types of evidence for fair market value: 1) Contractor estimates (like others mentioned) - get at least 2-3 if possible 2) Insurance adjuster reports - even if they denied coverage, their damage assessment is valuable 3) Real estate appraisals if you have recent ones 4) Receipts for original purchases when available 5) Online research for replacement costs (save screenshots with dates) For your specific situation with back-to-back storms, make sure to clearly separate the damage from each event since they're different FEMA declarations. I had to create a detailed timeline showing what was damaged in storm #1 vs. what additional damage occurred in storm #2. One thing that caught me off guard - if you're planning to rebuild/repair, keep ALL receipts. Sometimes the actual repair costs can help support your "difference in value" calculations, especially if contractors find additional damage during the work that wasn't initially visible. The key is having a paper trail for everything. The IRS wants to see that you made reasonable efforts to establish fair values, not necessarily that you hired expensive appraisers.
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