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Filling out Form 4684 for Hurricane Milton damage - Federal disaster area fence replacement question

I'm in one of the counties directly hit by Hurricane Milton. We've been officially declared a Federal disaster area. The main damage we had was our fence - it was completely destroyed with wooden pieces broken beyond repair. We had to replace the entire fence section. I started filling out Form 4684 (Casualties and Thefts) for the tax deduction but I'm getting confused about what exactly to put in each section. I paid about $3,900 for the new fencing to replace what was destroyed. Our insurance deductible was too high so we didn't file a claim. What sections do I need to fill out? Do I need to calculate the decrease in fair market value? And does being in a federally declared disaster area change anything about how I complete this form?

For federally declared disaster areas like yours affected by Hurricane Milton, Form 4684 has some specific sections you'll need to complete. You'll want to focus on Section A of Form 4684 since this was personal property damage. Line 1 is where you'll describe the property (wooden fence damaged by Hurricane Milton). For Line 2, enter the cost of the property when you originally installed it. Line 3 is insurance or other reimbursement - in your case, enter 0 if you didn't file a claim. Line 4 will be your gain from casualty (usually 0 for personal property). For Line 5, enter fair market value before the hurricane, and for Line 6, enter fair market value after (probably $0 for destroyed fence). Line 7 would be the decrease in FMV (line 5 minus line 6). Since you're in a federally declared disaster area, you have the option to claim the loss on your previous year's tax return by filing an amended return, which might get you money back faster than waiting for this year's filing.

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Thanks for explaining! What about Section B? Do I need to fill that out too? And do I need any kind of documentation for the fence damage like photos or receipts?

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Section B is specifically for business or income-producing property, so for your personal fence damage, you'll only need to complete Section A. As for documentation, absolutely keep all receipts from the fence replacement. While photos of the damage would be ideal, if you don't have them, try to gather any documentation that proves the damage occurred - perhaps an estimate from the fence company that mentions storm damage repair, or even statements from neighbors who witnessed the damage. The IRS may ask for substantiation, especially for larger casualty loss claims.

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Just as a quick note - keep in mind the $100 floor AND the 10% AGI limitation for casualty losses. Even in federally declared disaster areas, your deduction is reduced by 10% of your adjusted gross income. So if your AGI is $60,000, you'd need more than $6,000 in losses (after the $100 reduction) to see any tax benefit. This catches a lot of people by surprise.

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Is the 10% AGI limitation still applicable if you're in a federally declared disaster area? I thought there might be special rules for that situation. My AGI is around $72,000 so that would mean I'd need over $7,200 in damages to claim anything?

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For most federally declared disasters in recent years, you're right that there are special rules that can apply. However, those rules change based on specific legislation for each disaster. For Hurricane Milton specifically, you'll need to check if Congress passed any special tax provisions that waive the 10% AGI limitation. In the absence of special legislation, the 10% AGI rule would apply even in federally declared disaster areas. With your $72,000 AGI, you'd need damages exceeding $7,200 (after subtracting the $100 floor) to benefit from the casualty loss deduction. But I'd recommend checking with a tax professional about any special disaster relief provisions that might apply specifically to Hurricane Milton, as these rules get updated throughout the year.

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Paolo Rizzo

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Do u have to itemize deductions to claim fence damage from the hurricane? I usually just take the standard deduction but my fence repair was like $4200 after Milton. wondering if it's worth it to itemize just for this.

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QuantumQuest

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Yes, casualty losses are an itemized deduction on Schedule A. But the real question is whether your total itemized deductions (including this loss, plus your mortgage interest, state/local taxes up to $10k, charitable contributions, etc.) would exceed your standard deduction amount. For 2024, standard deduction is $13,850 for single filers and $27,700 for married filing jointly. So you'd need quite a bit in itemized deductions to make it worthwhile.

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Amina Sy

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Don't forget to check your state tax rules too! Some states have more generous casualty loss provisions than federal, especially for declared disasters. In my state, we were able to deduct 100% of our hurricane losses on our state return even though we couldn't on the federal return because of the AGI limitation. Saved us about $300 on state taxes.

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Good point! I think Florida doesn't have state income tax though, right? So if OP is in Florida where Milton hit hardest, this wouldn't apply. But definitely helpful for people in other states affected by the hurricane.

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Amina Sy

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You're absolutely right about Florida not having state income tax - my mistake! I should have checked which states were in Milton's path before commenting. For anyone in Georgia or other states that were affected and do have state income tax, it's still worth checking your state's specific rules. Some states follow federal tax treatment for disasters while others have their own provisions. Thanks for the correction!

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I went through this exact same situation with my fence after Hurricane Ian a couple years ago. One thing that really helped me was documenting the original installation cost and age of the fence - the IRS agent I spoke with said this was crucial for calculating the basis. Since you paid $3,900 for replacement and didn't file insurance, make sure you keep those contractor receipts. Also, if you can find any records of what you originally paid for the fence installation, that will help with the fair market value calculations Sofia mentioned. The federally declared disaster area status is definitely beneficial - it gives you that option to amend last year's return if it results in a bigger refund. I ended up doing that and got money back within about 8 weeks, which was much faster than waiting for this year's filing season. Just make sure to write "Hurricane Milton" on your return so the IRS knows it's disaster-related.

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Nia Harris

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This is really helpful advice! I'm dealing with hurricane damage too and wondering - when you amended your previous year's return, did you have to file a completely new Form 4684 or could you just attach it to the amended return? Also, do you remember if there was a deadline for choosing between claiming it on the current year vs. amending the previous year? I want to make sure I don't miss any time limits.

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