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Natasha Volkova

Can I put a rental property on Schedule C with active participation to claim the $25,000 allowance?

I've been managing a small rental property for about two years now and I'm trying to figure out the best way to handle it on my taxes. I'm still learning all the ins and outs of real estate tax rules. Right now I spend maybe 8-10 hours a month dealing with tenant issues, maintenance, and paperwork - not enough for material participation from what I understand. I've been reading about the $25,000 rental loss allowance for active participants, but I'm confused about which form to use. Would it make sense to put this rental activity on Schedule C even though I don't materially participate but do actively participate? My goal is to take advantage of that $25,000 allowance if possible. Is this even allowed by the IRS or am I completely misunderstanding how this works? The property has been running at a small loss this year (about $3,400) due to some major repairs, and I'd like to be able to deduct that against my other income if possible. My AGI is around $95,000 from my regular job.

Javier Torres

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You're mixing up a couple of important tax concepts here. Rental real estate activities should typically be reported on Schedule E, not Schedule C. Schedule C is for businesses/self-employment, while Schedule E is specifically designed for rental real estate and other passive activities. The $25,000 special allowance for rental real estate with active participation that you're referring to is claimed on Schedule E. This allows you to deduct up to $25,000 in rental losses against your other income if you actively participate in the rental activity AND your modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) is less than $100,000 (it phases out between $100,000-$150,000). Active participation is a lower threshold than material participation. You can meet the active participation standard by making management decisions like approving tenants, setting rental terms, approving repairs, etc. - which it sounds like you're doing.

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Emma Davis

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If the rental is on Schedule E, does that mean you don't have to pay self-employment tax on the income? And what if you're doing all the maintenance work yourself, like mowing lawns and fixing toilets - would that change anything?

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Javier Torres

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You're correct that rental income on Schedule E is not subject to self-employment tax. This is actually one of the tax advantages of rental property - the income is considered passive rather than earned income, so the 15.3% self-employment tax doesn't apply. Doing the maintenance work yourself (mowing lawns, fixing toilets, etc.) doesn't change where you report the income, but it might help you meet the "material participation" standard if you put in enough hours. However, this still wouldn't make Schedule C the right place to report typical residential rental activity. The IRS is pretty clear that long-term residential rentals belong on Schedule E.

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CosmicCaptain

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Malik Johnson

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Did it actually help you figure out if you qualified for the active participation thing? My tax software keeps giving me conflicting information about this and I'm worried about triggering an audit.

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I've seen a few AI tax tools - how is this one different from just asking ChatGPT or similar? Does it actually understand real estate tax specifically? My situation is complicated with a rental in a different state that I inherited.

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CosmicCaptain

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It absolutely helped me determine I qualified for active participation. The tool gave me a clear breakdown of what counts as active participation versus material participation and confirmed I met the requirements, even pointing out specific activities in my records that qualified. It saved me from a major headache since I was about to file incorrectly. The difference from general AI is that this is specifically trained on tax documents and IRS publications. It analyzed my rental records and even helped me understand the different rules for out-of-state properties. It's designed specifically for tax situations rather than general knowledge, which made a huge difference for my complicated real estate scenario.

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Freya Thomsen

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How does this actually work? Do they just call the IRS for you? Seems weird that someone else could get through when I can't after trying for days.

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Omar Zaki

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Ravi Sharma

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AstroAce

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Another thing to consider - if your AGI is around $95k, you're getting close to the phase-out threshold for the $25,000 allowance. It starts phasing out at $100k and is completely gone at $150k MAGI. Make sure you're calculating your Modified AGI correctly before counting on getting the full deduction.

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Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't realize I was so close to the phase-out limit. Is the MAGI calculation different from regular AGI? Are there specific things that get added back in that I should be aware of?

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AstroAce

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For the rental real estate loss allowance, MAGI is calculated by taking your AGI and adding back any passive activity losses, rental real estate losses, taxable social security benefits, IRA contribution deductions, student loan interest deductions, tuition and fees deduction, and several other items. The biggest ones for most people are the IRA deductions and student loan interest. So if you've made deductible contributions to a traditional IRA or paid student loan interest, your MAGI would be higher than your AGI by those amounts. Given that you're at $95k AGI, you should carefully calculate your MAGI to see how much of the $25,000 allowance you might qualify for.

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Chloe Martin

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Has anyone here used turbotax to report rental property losses? I'm confused by their interface and not sure if it's automatically putting things in the right place.

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Diego Rojas

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I use TurboTax Premier for my rentals. It asks you a series of questions about your rental activity and automatically puts everything on Schedule E. When you go through the rental property section, it will specifically ask about your level of participation and calculate the $25k allowance if you qualify. It's pretty straightforward once you get into the rental section.

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