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Declan Ramirez

Can rental property losses offset my short term capital gains? Passive income vs passive loss question

So I've got myself in a bit of a tax situation this year and trying to make sense of it all. Last year my rental property took a serious hit (had tenants stop paying for several months) and I ended up with a pretty significant rental loss. On the flip side, I made some decent money from stock trades that will show up as short term capital gains on my 1099-B. I'm trying to figure out if these can offset each other since they're both considered "passive" - the rental loss being a passive activity loss and the capital gains being passive income. I'm not a real estate professional by any means, but I am an active participant in managing the property (handle all the maintenance calls, finding tenants, etc). Anyone know if I can use my rental property losses to reduce the tax hit from my stock market gains? Or am I misunderstanding how passive activities work for tax purposes?

Emma Morales

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You're mixing up two different types of passive income. While rental activities are indeed considered passive activities under tax law, capital gains (even short-term ones reported on 1099-B) are NOT considered passive income for this purpose. The IRS treats investment income (capital gains, dividends, interest) differently than passive activity income. Rental losses can only offset passive activity income from other rental properties or businesses in which you don't materially participate. There is an exception if your modified adjusted gross income is under $100,000 - you might qualify for the $25,000 special allowance that lets you deduct some rental losses against non-passive income. This phases out completely when your MAGI reaches $150,000. Your rental losses that can't be used this year aren't lost forever though - they're suspended and carried forward to future years when you either have passive income or dispose of the property.

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Wait, so even though I don't actively "work" to earn my capital gains (just buy and sell stocks), they're not considered passive income for offsetting rental losses? That's really confusing! Does this mean my rental losses are basically useless this year since I don't have any other rental properties making money?

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Emma Morales

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Yes, that's exactly right. Despite the common-sense meaning of "passive," the tax code has its own definition. Capital gains from investments are considered "portfolio income," not passive income, even though you don't actively work for that money. Your rental losses aren't necessarily useless this year. If your MAGI is below $100,000, you could deduct up to $25,000 of those losses against your other income (including those capital gains). This deduction phases out between $100,000-$150,000 MAGI. If you're over that threshold or have more losses than allowed, the excess gets carried forward to future tax years when you either have genuine passive income or sell the rental property.

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Dylan Fisher

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Just to add a bit more detail on the active participation requirement since that's relevant to your situation: Active participation is a lower standard than material participation. You generally meet the active participation standard if you make management decisions like approving tenants, deciding on rental terms, approving expenditures, etc. This matters because the $25,000 special allowance mentioned above requires active participation. Without it, your rental losses would be completely suspended until you have passive income or dispose of the property. Also, keep in mind that if your modified AGI is above $100,000, that $25,000 allowance starts phasing out and disappears completely at $150,000.

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Edwards Hugo

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This is actually incorrect. Material participation and active participation are two different concepts. You can actively participate without materially participating, but the opposite does not work.

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Dylan Fisher

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You're right that they're different concepts, and I may not have been clear enough. Active participation has a lower threshold than material participation. Material participation generally requires 500+ hours of involvement or meeting other specific tests. Active participation just requires making management decisions like I mentioned. This is important because the $25,000 allowance for rental losses requires active participation but NOT material participation. So for the original poster, they only need to meet the active participation standard to potentially use the allowance (subject to income limitations).

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Gianna Scott

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Don't forget that if you sell your rental property for a gain in the future, any suspended passive losses from previous years can be used at that time. So even if you can't use the losses now against your capital gains, they're not lost forever. I made this mistake years ago thinking my rental losses were just gone, but when I sold my property, my accountant was able to apply all those carried-forward losses against the gain from the sale. Saved me thousands!

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That's really good to know! I've been thinking about selling this property in the next couple years anyway. So if I understand right, all these losses I can't use now could potentially offset the gains when I sell the property?

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Gianna Scott

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Exactly! When you dispose of the rental property in a taxable transaction (like selling it), any suspended passive losses from that specific property become fully deductible in that year. They can offset any type of income at that point, not just passive income. This is actually one of the few ways to "unlock" those suspended passive losses if you're a higher-income taxpayer who doesn't qualify for the $25,000 special allowance. So definitely keep good records of any losses you couldn't use in previous years!

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This is a really common misunderstanding! I had the exact same confusion when I first started dealing with rental properties and stock trading. The key thing to remember is that the IRS has very specific definitions for different types of income, and they don't always match what we'd think of as "passive" in everyday language. Your capital gains from stock trading fall under "portfolio income" while rental activities are "passive activities" - they're in completely separate buckets for tax purposes. That said, don't get discouraged about those rental losses. As others mentioned, if your MAGI is under $100k, you might still be able to deduct up to $25k of those losses against your other income this year. And even if you can't use them now, they'll carry forward and can be incredibly valuable when you eventually sell the property. I'd definitely recommend keeping detailed records of all your rental expenses and losses - you'll thank yourself later when tax time comes around in future years!

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Nathan Dell

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Thanks for breaking this down so clearly! I'm new to rental property investing and this whole passive vs portfolio income distinction is really confusing. One thing I'm wondering - when you mention keeping detailed records of rental expenses, are there any specific types of documentation that are particularly important for proving active participation? I want to make sure I'm documenting everything correctly from the start so I don't run into issues later if I need to claim that $25k allowance. Also, does anyone know if there are any red flags the IRS looks for when people claim active participation in rental activities? I handle all my own tenant screening and maintenance coordination, but I'm worried about getting audited.

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