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Luca Bianchi

Is my self-managed rental property loss considered Active or Passive income for tax purposes?

So I've got this rental property that I manage completely by myself - I do everything from finding tenants to handling repairs and making all the decisions. There's no property management company involved at all. The issue is that I'm operating at a loss each year after factoring in the rent I collect versus all the expenses. What's confusing me is whether this counts as Active or Passive income/loss for tax purposes. From what I understand, if it counts as Active, I can use the loss to get a higher tax refund right now. But I've talked to a couple tax consultants who told me that if it's classified as Passive, I can only deduct the loss when I eventually sell the house. I'm trying to figure out which classification is better financially in the long run. Does anyone have experience with this? I'm not super tax-savvy and just want to make the smarter financial choice here.

This is a common question for landlords who manage their own properties. The IRS has specific rules about rental activities - they're generally considered passive by default, regardless of how much work you put into managing them yourself. However, there are two important exceptions that might apply to your situation: 1. Real Estate Professional Exception: If you qualify as a real estate professional (750+ hours per year in real estate activities and more than half your working time), your rental activities can be considered non-passive (active). 2. Active Participation Exception: If you actively participate (make management decisions, etc.) and your adjusted gross income is under $150,000, you may be able to deduct up to $25,000 of rental losses against other income. Based on what you've described, you likely fall under the "active participation" rule rather than qualifying as a real estate professional, but you'll need to evaluate your specific situation.

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Nia Harris

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Thanks for the explanation! So even if I'm doing 100% of the management work myself, it's still considered passive unless I meet that 750+ hour threshold? My regular job is in software, so I definitely don't spend most of my time on real estate stuff.

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Yes, that's correct. Unless you meet the strict definition of a real estate professional, your rental activity is still considered passive for tax purposes. The 750+ hours is a minimum threshold, and you also need to spend more than half your total working time in real estate businesses. Since you work in software, you'd likely fall under the active participation exception instead, which allows you to deduct up to $25,000 of rental losses against your other income if your modified adjusted gross income is less than $100,000 (the deduction phases out between $100,000-$150,000).

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Aisha Ali

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Does this actually work for complicated real estate situations? I have 3 properties and also do short-term rentals. My CPA seems confused about some of the passive activity loss rules especially when it comes to my vacation property that I both rent and use personally.

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Ethan Moore

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I'm skeptical about these online tools. How does it determine if you meet the hour requirements for real estate professional status? Seems like that would require pretty detailed documentation.

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For complicated real estate situations, it's actually surprisingly effective. The system has specific modules for mixed-use properties and short-term rentals. It asks specific questions about personal use days versus rental days to properly categorize vacation properties under the IRS rules. Regarding documentation for hour requirements, it provides templates to track your time properly going forward. It doesn't magically create documentation you don't have, but it does walk you through what qualifies as real estate activities and helps you determine if you're anywhere close to meeting the threshold. In my case, it helped me realize I wasn't even close to the 750 hours needed for real estate professional status.

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Aisha Ali

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Yuki Nakamura

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If you're struggling to get clear answers about your rental property classification, you might want to talk directly with an IRS agent. I was in the same boat last year and kept getting different answers from different tax preparers. I discovered Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) which got me through to an actual IRS agent in about 20 minutes instead of waiting on hold for hours. They have a video showing how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c The IRS agent I spoke with clarified that since I wasn't meeting the real estate professional requirements, my rental was passive, but I still qualified for the $25,000 exception due to my active participation. Having that direct confirmation gave me confidence to file correctly.

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StarSurfer

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Wait, how does this work? The IRS never answers their phones - I've literally spent entire afternoons on hold only to get disconnected.

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Carmen Reyes

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This sounds like a scam. Why would you need a service to call the IRS? And how would they get you through faster than anyone else?

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Yuki Nakamura

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Carmen Reyes

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I need to eat my words. After posting that skeptical comment, I decided to try Claimyr since I'd been trying unsuccessfully to reach the IRS about a rental property question for weeks. It actually works! Got a call back in about 30 minutes and spoke with an IRS agent who clarified exactly how the passive activity rules applied to my situation. The agent confirmed that my rental losses were indeed passive but explained how I could document my participation to qualify for the $25,000 exception. This saved me from making a costly mistake on my return. If you need definitive answers on rental property classification from the source, this is way better than getting conflicting advice from random preparers.

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Andre Moreau

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Something nobody's mentioned yet - if your rental losses are passive and exceed the $25,000 special allowance (or if your income is too high to qualify), those excess passive losses aren't "lost." They get suspended and carried forward indefinitely until either: 1. You have passive income from other sources to offset them against 2. You sell the property in a fully taxable transaction So the question of "which is better financially" depends on your long-term plans. If you'll eventually sell the property at a gain, having those suspended passive losses to offset the gain could be valuable.

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Luca Bianchi

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Thanks for bringing this up. So if I understand correctly, even if I can't use all the losses now, they're not wasted - just suspended until I can use them? How do I keep track of these suspended losses over multiple years?

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Andre Moreau

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You'll track suspended passive losses on Form 8582, "Passive Activity Loss Limitations," which you file with your tax return each year. The form will calculate how much of your losses you can use in the current year and how much is suspended. Most tax software will track this automatically for you year-to-year if you use the same program. Otherwise, you'll need to keep records of these suspended losses yourself. The IRS doesn't send you a reminder of your suspended passive losses, so good recordkeeping is essential.

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I own several rental properties and have dealt with this exact issue. One thing to consider: if your AGI is under $100k, you can deduct up to $25k in rental losses against your ordinary income under the active participation exception, even though the activity is technically passive. But if you're trying to qualify as a real estate professional to treat ALL losses as non-passive, be prepared for potential IRS scrutiny. You need meticulous time logs to prove your 750+ hours.

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Do you actually log your hours? How detailed do the records need to be? I've been using a simple spreadsheet but wondering if that's enough if I get audited.

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Caleb Bell

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A spreadsheet should be fine as long as it's detailed enough. The IRS typically wants to see the date, hours worked, and description of activities performed. I use a simple Excel sheet with columns for Date, Property Address, Hours, and Activity Description (like "tenant screening," "property inspection," "coordinating repairs," etc.). The key is consistency and contemporaneous record-keeping - don't try to recreate logs after the fact if you get audited. Also make sure your activities actually qualify as real estate business activities under the IRS definition, not just property maintenance that any homeowner would do.

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I've been through this exact situation with my duplex rental. The key thing to understand is that rental real estate is almost always classified as passive income/loss by default, regardless of how hands-on you are with management. However, you likely qualify for the "active participation" exception since you're making management decisions yourself. This allows you to deduct up to $25,000 of rental losses against your other income (like your regular job) if your modified adjusted gross income is under $100,000. The deduction phases out between $100k-$150k. Don't confuse "active participation" with being a "real estate professional" - they're completely different rules. Active participation just means you own at least 10% of the property and participate in management decisions (which you clearly do). The real estate professional status requires 750+ hours annually in real estate activities AND more than half your total working time. For your situation, being able to use the $25k exception now is probably better than waiting until you sell, especially if you're in a higher tax bracket currently. Just make sure to keep good records of your participation in case the IRS ever asks.

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This is really helpful - I think I was getting confused between active participation and real estate professional status. So just to confirm my understanding: even though my rental activity is technically "passive," I can still deduct losses against my W-2 income up to $25k as long as I meet the active participation test and my income is under the threshold? Also, you mentioned keeping good records of participation - what kind of documentation should I be maintaining? I do everything from tenant screening to coordinating repairs, but I haven't been formally tracking my involvement.

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