Can I deduct vandalism and theft losses from my vacation rental on Schedule A, line 16?
So my vacation rental property recently got hit with some vandalism and theft issues. The place is income-producing (I rent it out when I'm not using it), and I'm trying to figure out the tax implications. Can I deduct these losses as "other itemized deductions" on Schedule A, line 16? I'm planning to file an insurance claim, but my deductible is pretty high - probably higher than the actual damages. So I'll basically be covering most of the costs out of pocket. Just wondering if there's any tax break for this situation since it's technically an income property that got damaged. No insurance money coming my way most likely. Any tax experts have insight on this? Not sure if it matters that it's a vacation property I sometimes use personally vs. a regular rental.
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Butch Sledgehammer
This is actually a bit complicated because you have a mixed-use property. Since your vacation home is "income-producing" (as you mentioned), the casualty and theft losses would generally NOT go on Schedule A, line 16. That line is typically for personal casualty losses, which are very limited under current tax law. Instead, you'd likely report these losses on Form 4684, Section B for business/income property. The allocation depends on how you use the property - if you rent it 70% of the time and use it personally 30%, you'd allocate the losses accordingly. The business portion would flow to Schedule E with your rental income/expenses, while any personal portion might be subject to the stricter personal casualty loss rules. Also important: make sure you document everything thoroughly - take photos, get repair estimates, and keep all receipts. The IRS may request this documentation if you're audited.
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Freya Ross
•Wait, I thought casualty losses were completely eliminated for individuals after the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act unless it's a federally declared disaster? Does the income-producing aspect change that completely?
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Butch Sledgehammer
•You're absolutely right about the TCJA limitations - personal casualty losses are generally suspended except for federally declared disasters through 2025. That's why the income-producing aspect is so important here. Since the property generates income, the business/rental portion of the loss is still deductible as a business expense on Schedule E (not Schedule A). It's not subject to the same limitations as personal casualty losses. The calculation gets tricky with mixed-use properties, but the rental portion remains deductible regardless of disaster declaration status.
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Leslie Parker
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Sergio Neal
•How does it actually work with the personal/business split? Like if I use my cabin 40% personally and rent it 60%, do I just multiply all expenses by 0.6 for the business portion?
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Savanna Franklin
•Did they help with figuring out how to calculate the actual loss amount? I'm struggling with determining the adjusted basis minus decline in fair market value for some items that were damaged but not completely destroyed in my rental.
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Leslie Parker
•For the personal/business split, you generally allocate based on time (days of personal use vs. rental use). So yes, if it's 60% rental, you'd apply that percentage to your losses for the business portion that goes on Schedule E. The system helps you calculate this properly based on your specific usage pattern. For calculating actual loss amounts, absolutely! That was one of the most helpful parts. They guided me through determining adjusted basis for each item, documenting the fair market value pre and post-incident, and calculating the deductible amount after applying any insurance considerations. It made the whole process much clearer than trying to interpret IRS publications on my own.
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Savanna Franklin
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Juan Moreno
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Amy Fleming
•How does this actually work? Sounds like they're just calling the IRS for you? Couldn't you just keep calling yourself until you get through?
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Alice Pierce
•Yeah right. No way they're getting through to the IRS that fast when everyone else waits hours. Sounds like a scam to get your phone number or personal info. Why would the IRS prioritize calls from some random service?
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Juan Moreno
•It's not that they call for you exactly. From what I understand, they have a system that navigates through the IRS phone menus and waits on hold so you don't have to. When an actual agent picks up, they connect you directly to that live person. So you're still the one talking to the IRS, but without the hours of waiting. I was skeptical too! I figured it was worth trying after I wasted an entire afternoon on hold. They don't get priority access - they're just willing to do the waiting part for you. The IRS has no idea you're using a service, you're just suddenly connected when an agent becomes available. Honestly was surprised it worked as well as it did.
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Alice Pierce
I need to eat crow here. After my skeptical comment, I decided to try Claimyr because I was absolutely desperate to get an answer about casualty losses on my rental before filing. Got connected to an IRS rep in about 20 minutes when I'd previously given up after 2+ hours on hold multiple times. The agent confirmed that for mixed-use properties, you should allocate the casualty loss based on the percentage of rental vs. personal use, with the rental portion going on Schedule E as an ordinary expense. He also explained that documenting the pre-casualty FMV is crucial - take photos of everything in your rental and keep receipts for major purchases! Apparently that's where most people mess up their casualty loss claims.
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Esteban Tate
Something important nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're calculating the loss correctly. It's not just what it costs to replace the stolen/damaged items. For tax purposes, casualty loss is the lesser of: 1) Your adjusted basis in the property (usually what you paid plus improvements) 2) The decrease in fair market value caused by the casualty/theft So if you bought a couch 5 years ago for $1000 that's now only worth $400 (before theft), your casualty loss would be $400, not $1000. This catches a lot of people off guard.
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Ivanna St. Pierre
•So does that mean if something old gets stolen, you basically get no deduction because it was already depreciated in value? Like if thieves take a 10-year-old TV that's practically worthless now but costs $500 to replace?
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Esteban Tate
•That's exactly right - and it's why casualty losses often end up being less than people expect. If your 10-year-old TV had depreciated to a fair market value of only $50 before it was stolen, that's your deduction amount (not the $500 replacement cost). However, for the business/rental portion of your property, you've likely been taking depreciation deductions already, so your adjusted basis should align more closely with the current value. This is actually one advantage of the business portion of casualty losses - they're generally calculated based on the depreciated value that you've been reporting for tax purposes all along.
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Elin Robinson
Random but important tip: if your deductible exceeds your loss so you don't file an insurance claim, still document EVERYTHING as if you were filing. Take dated photos, get written repair estimates, and keep all receipts. The IRS is super picky about casualty loss documentation. I got audited for a rental property casualty loss and they wanted proof I tried to recover through insurance first before claiming the tax deduction. Luckily I had emails with my insurance agent discussing the claim and how it was below my deductible.
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Atticus Domingo
•What if you don't have before photos of everything? My storage shed at my rental got broken into last month and I honestly don't have pictures of what was in there before.
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