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Is Fidelity's online calculator reliable for 72t SEPP calculations or do I need a tax advisor?

I'm in a bit of a rush to set up my 72t SEPP distributions but I'm hitting a roadblock. When I called Fidelity about helping me calculate my 72t SEPP payments, they basically told me they can't help and I need to talk to a tax advisor. However, they do have a link to an online calculator on their site that shows results for all three calculation methods. My question is - can I just use this online calculator and go with those numbers, or are there hidden complications or specific rules that only tax professionals would know about? I know 72t distributions have a lot of strict requirements, and messing up could mean penalties. My accountant said she can't see me for a few weeks, but I really need to get this set up ASAP. Has anyone gone through this process without professional help? Did you run into any issues? Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

I've worked with 72t SEPPs for years, and while the online calculators are helpful, there are definitely some nuances that can trip you up if you're not careful. The three calculation methods (Required Minimum Distribution, Fixed Amortization, and Fixed Annuitization) all give different distribution amounts, and choosing the right one depends on your specific situation. The online calculator will show you all three options, but won't tell you which is best for your needs or tax situation. Some things to watch out for: once you start a 72t plan, you're locked in for 5 years or until you turn 59½, whichever is longer. Any modification (except for a one-time switch from Amortization or Annuitization to RMD) will result in penalties retroactively applied to ALL your previous withdrawals. And by "modification," I mean ANY change - including taking out even $1 more or less than your calculated amount.

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Thanks for the detailed explanation. I'm 52 now, so I'd be locked in for about 7.5 years. What happens if I need more money than what the calculation gives me? Am I completely unable to touch any additional funds in that account?

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You absolutely cannot take more from the specific account(s) you've designated for your 72t plan without "breaking" the plan and facing penalties. That's why many people only use a portion of their retirement assets for a 72t plan, keeping other accounts available for additional withdrawals if needed. If you need maximum flexibility, you might consider setting up your 72t with just enough assets to provide your minimum needed income, while keeping the rest of your retirement money in separate accounts that you can access (with the normal 10% early withdrawal penalty) in emergencies.

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After struggling with my early retirement calculations for weeks, I finally tried taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai) and it seriously saved me from making a huge mistake with my 72t SEPP plan. Their system analyzed my Fidelity statements directly and showed me that the online calculator I was using wasn't accounting for some specific factors in my situation. What impressed me was how it walked through multiple scenarios based on different 72t calculation methods and showed me the long-term implications of each choice. It even flagged a potential issue with how I was planning to handle required distributions once I hit 59½.

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Does it actually calculate the 72t payments for you? I'm considering using it but worried it might just be general tax advice rather than specific 72t calculations.

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I've heard mixed things about these AI tools for complex tax situations. How confident are you that its recommendations are actually IRS-compliant? 72t rules are super strict and messing up even slightly can mean retroactive penalties.

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It does calculate the actual payment amounts for all three 72t methods based on your specific account values and personal information. The tool runs your information through each calculation method and shows you the resulting distribution amounts with detailed explanations. Regarding IRS compliance, that was my biggest concern too. What convinced me was that it provides specific references to the IRS revenue rulings that govern 72t plans (like Revenue Ruling 2002-62) and explains exactly how each calculation follows those guidelines. It's not just making things up - it's applying the actual IRS formulas and rules to your specific situation.

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I was super skeptical about using any kind of automated system for my 72t planning (as you can see from my question above), but I finally tried taxr.ai after waiting 6 weeks to get an appointment with a "SEPP specialist" CPA who then canceled on me. I'm honestly shocked at how detailed and straightforward the process was. It flagged that I was planning to use an interest rate that was too high according to current IRS guidelines, which would have invalidated my entire plan. It also showed me how to properly document my calculations for the IRS in case of an audit. The best part was comparing the three different methods side-by-side with projections for how they'd play out over the entire required period. Saved me from a potentially costly mistake and gave me the confidence to move forward with my plan.

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If you're having trouble getting through to Fidelity or finding a tax professional, I'd recommend using Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) to connect directly with an IRS agent. I used them last month when I needed urgent clarification on some 72t rules, and they got me through to an IRS representative in under 20 minutes. The IRS has a special department that handles retirement distribution questions, and they can actually provide official guidance on 72t SEPP calculations. You can watch how the process works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c - basically they call the IRS for you and navigate the phone tree, then call you when they've got an agent on the line.

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Wait, the IRS will actually help with calculating 72t payments? I thought they only provided general guidance but wouldn't do the actual calculations for liability reasons.

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This sounds too good to be true. Every time I've called the IRS, I've been on hold for hours only to get someone who gives vague answers and tells me to consult a professional. How is this service any different?

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The IRS won't do the full calculation for you, but they will confirm whether your calculation method is correct and if you're using the proper interest rates and life expectancy tables. They can also clarify specific questions about your situation that might not be covered in the general guidance. Regarding the skepticism, I totally get it. I was cynical too after spending countless hours on hold with the IRS. The difference is that Claimyr has figured out how to navigate the IRS phone system efficiently and knows exactly when to call to minimize wait times. They're not magic - they're just really good at getting through the system that's designed to frustrate normal callers. Plus, they stay on hold instead of you, so you're only connected when there's actually an agent ready to talk.

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I was totally wrong about Claimyr. After posting my skeptical comment above, I was desperate enough to try it because my 72t plan was about to start and I had conflicting information from two different tax professionals. The service got me through to an IRS retirement specialist in about 25 minutes (they texted me updates while they were on hold). The agent clarified exactly how to document my 72t calculations and confirmed which interest rate I should be using for my situation. He even emailed me links to the specific IRS publications that addressed my questions. Saved me at least $800 in additional CPA fees and I was able to start my distributions on time. Worth every penny for the peace of mind knowing I'm doing it correctly.

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One thing nobody's mentioned yet - make sure you're using the CORRECT interest rate in your calculations if you're using the Fixed Amortization or Fixed Annuitization methods. The IRS limits what interest rate you can use (can't be more than 120% of the federal mid-term rate). I used an online calculator that defaulted to a 3.5% interest rate, but when I started my 72t in January, the maximum allowable rate was actually 2.7%. That's a significant difference in the payment amount, and using the wrong rate would have invalidated my entire plan!

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Thank you for pointing this out! Where do you find the current maximum allowable interest rate? Does the IRS publish this somewhere?

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The IRS publishes the Federal Mid-Term Rates each month in their Revenue Rulings. You can find them by searching "IRS Revenue Ruling month year" - for example, "IRS Revenue Ruling April 2025." What you're looking for is 120% of the Federal Mid-Term Rate. The actual calculation is a bit tricky because you can use either the rate from the current month or either of the two months immediately preceding the month in which you begin distributions. This gives you a small window to pick the most favorable rate.

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Has anyone actually been audited for their 72t plan? I'm curious how closely the IRS scrutinizes these.

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I was audited in 2023 for my 72t plan that I started in 2018. They asked for documentation of my initial calculation, proof that I took exactly the calculated amount each year (not a penny more or less), and verification that I didn't add or remove any funds from the account.

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I was in a similar situation last year and ended up using the Fidelity calculator, but I made sure to double-check everything against the IRS publications first. The calculator is actually pretty solid for the basic calculations, but you need to be aware of a few things: 1. Make sure you're using the correct life expectancy table (Single Life Expectancy Table from IRS Publication 590-B) 2. Verify the interest rate you're using is within the IRS limits (120% of federal mid-term rate) 3. Document EVERYTHING - keep records of your account balance on the calculation date, the method you chose, and the exact payment amount The biggest mistake I see people make is not understanding that the account balance you use for the calculation is locked in - it's typically the balance as of December 31st of the year before you start distributions. Also, if you have multiple retirement accounts, you need to decide which specific accounts will be part of your 72t plan. One workaround for your time crunch: you could start with the online calculator but have a tax professional review your work before you actually begin distributions. That way you're not waiting weeks but still get professional oversight.

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This is really helpful advice! I'm particularly concerned about the account balance calculation date. When you say it's typically December 31st of the year before - does that mean if I want to start distributions in May 2025, I have to use my December 31, 2024 balance? Or can I use a more recent balance? I'm asking because my account value has changed quite a bit since then, and I want to make sure I'm doing this correctly from the start.

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Actually, you have more flexibility with the valuation date than just December 31st! According to IRS Revenue Ruling 2002-62, you can use the account balance from any "reasonable valuation date" that's close to the date you begin distributions. Many people do use December 31st because it's a clean, well-documented date, but you could also use a more recent month-end balance or even a quarterly statement date. The key is that it needs to be a "reasonable" date - you can't cherry-pick a random day when your account happened to be at its highest value. For your May 2025 start, you could potentially use your March 31, 2025 balance or even April 30, 2025 if that statement is available. Just make sure you can document that balance clearly (like with an official account statement) and that you consistently apply whatever calculation method you choose based on that balance. The IRS wants to see that you're being methodical and consistent, not trying to game the system by picking the most favorable possible date.

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I went through this exact situation about 18 months ago and ended up using the Fidelity calculator successfully, but with some important caveats that others have touched on. The calculator itself is mathematically sound - it uses the correct IRS formulas and life expectancy tables. However, what it can't do is help you make strategic decisions about which calculation method to choose or how to structure your plan for maximum flexibility. Here's what I wish someone had told me at the start: consider doing a "split" approach where you only designate part of your retirement funds for the 72t plan. For example, if you need $30,000 annually but your full account would generate $45,000 under the calculator, you might split off just enough assets to generate the $30,000. This leaves the rest of your money accessible (with normal early withdrawal penalties) for emergencies. Also, triple-check that first distribution amount. I caught an error in my own calculation where I had accidentally included some Roth IRA funds that shouldn't have been part of the calculation. One decimal point error would have invalidated the entire plan. The good news is that if you're methodical about following the IRS guidelines and document everything properly, the calculator should give you accurate results. Just don't rush the setup phase - better to get it right than fast.

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This is exactly the kind of practical advice I was hoping for! The split approach is brilliant - I hadn't thought about only using part of my retirement funds for the 72t plan. That would definitely give me more flexibility if unexpected expenses come up during those 7+ years I'm locked in. Quick question about your decimal point comment - when you say you accidentally included Roth IRA funds, do you mean that Roth IRAs can't be part of a 72t plan at all, or just that they need to be calculated separately? I have both traditional and Roth IRAs, so I want to make sure I'm handling this correctly. Also, how detailed should my documentation be? Should I just keep the account statements and calculation worksheets, or do I need something more formal?

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