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Fatima Al-Hashimi

Need help with W-4 calculations for multiple income sources

I've been trying different W-4 calculators (IRS website, TurboTax) and getting totally different results each time. Last year we ended up owing about $1100 federal and $950 to Ohio as married filing jointly, and I'm desperate to get closer to breaking even this year. Our situation isn't super simple - we have two full-time W-2 jobs, plus a seasonal W-2 job one of us works during summers, rental property income, and some 1099-NEC freelance work I do on the side. We have one kid we claim as a dependent. We're both contributing to 401ks (no withdrawals), and sometimes have capital gains from some small investments. I feel completely lost trying to figure out the right withholding. The IRS calculator gives me numbers that seem way off based on our past returns. TurboTax's estimator gives totally different answers. I'm thinking I need some personalized help at this point since I've tried the DIY route and failed. Who can actually help with this kind of complicated W-4 situation? Could just be me making some stupid error somewhere, but I can't figure it out.

NeonNova

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The W-4 can definitely get confusing with multiple income sources! The reason you're getting different results from different calculators is because they use different methodologies, and some are more equipped to handle complex situations like yours. With multiple W-2 jobs, 1099-NEC income, and rental income, you're dealing with a perfect storm for underwithholding. The W-4 is primarily designed for single-income or dual-income households with similar salaries. Your seasonal job and 1099 work complicates things. Here's what I'd recommend: For your two main W-2 jobs, use the IRS's Two-Jobs Worksheet (it's part of the W-4 form package) rather than the online calculator. Make sure you're checking the box in Step 2(c) on both forms. For your seasonal job, you might want to select a higher withholding rate or even request a specific additional dollar amount withheld. For the 1099-NEC and rental income, you should be making quarterly estimated tax payments rather than trying to adjust your W-4 to cover these. Many people try to increase W-2 withholding to cover self-employment income, but it's cleaner and more accurate to handle these separately.

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Thanks for the detailed response! I didn't realize the seasonal job would throw things off that much. For the Two-Jobs Worksheet, should we use that for all three W-2 jobs or just the two main ones? Also, how do I figure out how much to withhold for the 1099 and rental income? I've never done quarterly payments before and don't even know where to start with calculating that amount.

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NeonNova

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You should use the Two-Jobs Worksheet for your two main full-time W-2 jobs. For the seasonal job, since it's temporary, you can either use the higher withholding rate option on that W-4 or specify an additional dollar amount to withhold based on what you expect to earn there. For your 1099-NEC and rental income, a good starting point is to set aside 25-30% of that income for taxes (covers both federal and state). You can make quarterly estimated payments using Form 1040-ES. The payment dates are April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year. The IRS has a worksheet in the 1040-ES package to help calculate the exact amount, or you can base it on what you paid last year. Many tax software options also have estimated tax calculators to help with this.

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This sounds promising but I'm skeptical... how exactly does it work with the multiple W-2s? Like does it tell you different numbers to put on each form? I'm in almost the exact same situation as OP (2 regular jobs plus a side gig and rental income) and no matter what I do I keep owing.

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I'm curious about this too. Does it actually fill out the forms for you or just give you the numbers? And how does it handle the rental income portion? That's the part that always throws off my calculations.

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It asks for info from each W-2 job separately and then tells you exactly what to put on each W-4 form with different numbers tailored to each job. This was key for me because my spouse and I have different salaries, and the IRS calculator just gave one generic number that didn't work well. For the rental income, you upload your Schedule E from last year (or enter the info manually) and it factors that into both your overall tax projection and your quarterly estimated payments. It doesn't just lump everything together like most calculators do. It splits out what should be handled through W-4 withholding versus what should be paid quarterly, which was the missing piece for me.

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Ava Thompson

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StarSailor

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Have you considered just increasing your withholding by a flat additional amount on each paycheck to cover the shortage? That's what I do. I have a situation similar to yours - multiple jobs, some 1099 work, etc. I just divided what I owed last year by the number of pay periods and added an extra $50 per check to cover increases. So I have "Extra withholding" of $135 on each check. Way simpler than trying to get the W-4 calculator to handle all the complexity perfectly. I've been doing this for years and usually end up within $200 of breaking even at tax time.

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That's actually a pretty straightforward approach I hadn't considered. Does that flat amount method still work okay if our incomes fluctuate a bit year to year? And do you split the extra withholding between both of your W-2 jobs or just put it all on one?

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StarSailor

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I've found it works fine with some income fluctuation - I just reassess each year after filing taxes. If I owed money, I increase the extra withholding. If I got a refund, I might decrease it a bit. I put all the extra withholding on my primary job (the higher-paying one) just to keep it simple. But you could split it between jobs if that works better for your cash flow. The IRS doesn't care which job the money comes from as long as the total withholding is enough. The key is to check your withholding totals mid-year to make sure you're on track, especially if you have a significant income change.

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The W-4 situation is even more messed up since they redesigned the form in 2020. My accountant told me that for couples with multiple income sources, the simplest approach is often: 1. Both check the box in Step 2(c) for slightly higher withholding 2. Add an additional fixed dollar amount in Step 4(c) 3. Make quarterly estimated payments for any 1099/rental income Has anyone actually had success with the Two-Earner/Multiple Jobs worksheet? It seems overly complicated.

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Yara Sabbagh

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The Two-Earner worksheet actually worked great for my wife and me once we figured it out. We both have similar salaries though ($70k and $75k), so maybe that's why. The trick was that we only filled out the extra withholding on ONE of our W-4 forms, not both. When we did both, we were massively overwithholding.

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Owen Devar

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Having dealt with a very similar situation (multiple W-2s, rental income, and freelance work), I can definitely relate to the frustration with getting wildly different results from various calculators. One thing that really helped me was realizing that the online IRS calculator doesn't handle multiple income streams very well - it's really designed for simpler situations. What ended up working for me was a hybrid approach: 1. Used the paper Two-Jobs Worksheet for my main W-2 jobs (like others mentioned, only apply the extra withholding to ONE job, not both) 2. Set up quarterly estimated payments for all non-W-2 income (1099-NEC and rental) - I use about 28% of that income as a starting point 3. Added a small buffer ($30/paycheck) in Step 4(c) to account for any miscalculations The quarterly payments were a game-changer for me. Trying to cover everything through W-4 withholding was making the calculations way too complex and unreliable. Once I separated the W-2 withholding from the self-employment/rental tax obligations, everything became much more manageable. Also, don't forget that rental income might qualify for the Section 199A deduction, which could affect your overall tax liability and withholding needs.

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