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Ruby Garcia

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One thing nobody has mentioned yet is that regardless of which state you choose, you'll need to be aware of "foreign qualification" requirements. If you're "doing business" in a state other than where your LLC is formed, you technically need to register as a foreign entity there. The definition of "doing business" varies by state, but generally includes having employees, office space, or conducting in-person services in that state. As an expat with an online business, this probably won't affect you if you truly have no physical presence in any state. But something to keep in mind if your situation changes!

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Alexander Evans

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So if I form in Wyoming but occasionally visit California and work from there for a few weeks, would I need to register in California too? Their taxes are insane!

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Jamal Anderson

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@Alexander Evans That s'a really good question about California! Generally, just visiting and working temporarily like (a few weeks wouldn) t'trigger foreign qualification requirements. California looks for continuous "business" activity or having a permanent "place of business in" the state. However, California is notoriously aggressive about tax nexus, so you d'want to be careful about establishing any kind of regular pattern there. If you re'just visiting occasionally as a tourist who happens to work remotely during your stay, you should be fine. But if you re'there for extended periods regularly or have clients specifically in California, that could potentially create nexus. The threshold varies, but most states consider things like having an office, employees, or conducting regular business meetings as triggers for foreign qualification. Remote work from a laptop while visiting usually doesn t'count, but I d'recommend consulting with a tax professional if you plan to spend significant time in high-tax states like California or New York.

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Mason Kaczka

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Great question! I went through this exact process about 18 months ago as an expat living in Germany. After a lot of research, I ended up choosing Delaware for my LLC, even though I had no prior connection there. Here's what I learned: Delaware has excellent legal precedent for business law, reasonable fees ($90 annual franchise tax for most small LLCs), and their Court of Chancery is specifically designed for business disputes. While states like Wyoming and Nevada get a lot of attention for zero state income tax, Delaware's legal framework is incredibly well-established. The key thing is that as an expat, you'll be paying federal taxes regardless of which state you choose, and since you're using FEIE, the state income tax differences matter less than they would for a US resident. What matters more is ease of maintenance, legal protections, and banking relationships. I used a registered agent service in Delaware for about $150/year and was able to open a business account with Chase online using my EIN and passport. The whole process took about 3 weeks from start to finish. One tip: make sure you understand the difference between your LLC's state of formation and where you'll actually owe taxes. As an expat with FEIE, your federal tax situation is more complex than the state choice.

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Payton Black

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Thanks for sharing your Delaware experience! I'm curious about your decision to go with Delaware over Wyoming or Nevada. You mentioned the legal framework being well-established - how much does that really matter for a simple online business? I'm trying to decide between Delaware and Wyoming myself, and the $90 annual fee vs Wyoming's $50 is making me lean toward Wyoming. Did you find any practical advantages to Delaware's business laws in your day-to-day operations, or is it more about theoretical protections?

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Olivia Garcia

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Quick question - I'm in a similar situation but I'll be renting my house for 3 years while I'm working abroad. Do the same deduction rules apply for longer rental periods? Anyone know if there are different considerations for longer-term rentals?

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Noah Lee

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For a 3-year rental period, all the same deductions apply, but there's one major difference to be aware of: when you sell the house later, you might partially lose your primary residence capital gains exclusion. The rule is you need to have lived in the house as your primary residence for at least 2 of the 5 years before selling to get the full $250k/$500k capital gains exclusion. With a 3-year rental period, you'll need to move back in for at least 2 years before selling to get the full exclusion.

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StarSailor

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One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned - make sure you're keeping detailed records of everything! The IRS loves documentation for rental properties. I learned this the hard way during an audit a few years back. Create separate folders (physical or digital) for each type of expense: repairs, maintenance, insurance, property management, etc. Take photos of any work done on the property with timestamps. Keep all receipts, even small ones like supplies from Home Depot. Also, since you're planning to move back in March 2025, start a calendar now marking the exact dates the property was available for rent vs. when you lived there. This becomes crucial for prorating expenses and will save you headaches later when preparing your taxes. The depreciation everyone mentioned is huge - don't skip it! Even if you don't claim it, the IRS assumes you did for recapture purposes when you eventually sell. So you might as well get the tax benefit now.

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Miguel Ortiz

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Question - does anyone know if providing snacks/drinks in the office counts under this exception? We spend about $500/month on office snacks and coffee. Is that considered employee recreation under ยง274(e)(4) or something else?

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Office snacks and drinks are generally considered de minimis fringe benefits rather than recreation events under ยง274(e)(4). They're still deductible, but under a different section of tax code. As long as the value is small and accounting for it would be administratively impractical, you can deduct 100% of these expenses.

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Diego Mendoza

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Great thread everyone! As someone who's dealt with this exact issue, I wanted to add that timing can also matter for these deductions. The IRS looks at whether the event was held during or reasonably close to the business year you're claiming the deduction. Also, one thing I haven't seen mentioned is the "all employees" requirement. Under ยง274(e)(4), the recreational activity needs to be available to employees generally - you can't just treat executives or a select group and claim the full deduction. If you're doing tiered events (like a nice dinner for managers and pizza for everyone else), that could complicate your deduction. For your specific activities @CosmicCommander, make sure your team dinners aren't too frequent or lavish, as the IRS might view regular expensive meals as compensation rather than recreation. The escape room and company picnic sound perfect for the exception though!

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Steven Adams

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This is such valuable insight about the "all employees" requirement! I hadn't considered how tiered events could complicate deductions. Quick follow-up question - if we do a company-wide event but some remote employees can't attend due to location, does that still meet the "available to employees generally" test? We have about 5 remote workers out of our 15 total employees, and I'd hate for their inability to physically attend our local events to disqualify the deduction for everyone else.

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Destiny Bryant

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Has anyone mentioned the at-risk rules yet? Even if you could somehow get around the passive activity loss limitations, you'd still need to have "at-risk" basis in the LLC to claim the losses. Did you or your wife actually contribute cash or property to the LLC, or personally guarantee any loans? Without at-risk basis, you can't take the losses even if they weren't passive.

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Dyllan Nantx

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Great point about at-risk rules. I learned this the hard way with my family LLC. Had $32k in losses but could only claim about $8k because that's all I had at risk in the business (my initial capital contribution). The rest got suspended not just because of passive activity rules but because of at-risk limitations. OP should definitely check their capital account on the K-1.

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Just to add another perspective on this - make sure you're also considering the state tax implications carefully. I had a similar situation with an out-of-state LLC and ended up owing more in nonresident state taxes than I expected because the state where the property was located didn't allow the same loss carryforward rules as the federal return. Also, keep detailed records of all your suspended passive losses. I use a simple spreadsheet to track mine year over year, including the original source and any partial usage. It becomes really important when you eventually dispose of the property or generate passive income to offset against. The IRS doesn't send you a reminder of what you have suspended, so it's on you to track it properly. One last thought - if this hunting property ever generates rental income (like seasonal hunting leases), that would be passive income that could be offset by your suspended losses. Might be worth discussing with the family whether monetizing the property could help everyone's tax situation.

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StarGazer101

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This is really helpful advice about tracking suspended losses! I'm new to all this K-1 stuff and honestly feeling a bit overwhelmed by all the different rules - passive activity, at-risk, state taxes, etc. The spreadsheet idea is great because you're right that the IRS won't remind you what you have suspended. I'm wondering though - when you say "partial usage" of suspended losses, how does that work exactly? Like if I have $29k suspended and generate $5k in passive income next year, do I get to choose which losses to use first, or is it automatic? Also, regarding the hunting lease income idea - that's actually really smart! The property does get some seasonal hunting revenue. Would that income show up on next year's K-1 as passive income that could offset some of these suspended losses?

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I'm dealing with this exact situation right now and it's so stressful! Filed my missing 2021 return in January and still waiting for my 2023 refund to release. Reading through everyone's experiences here is actually really helpful - at least I know I'm not alone in this waiting game. @Monique Byrd thanks for the specific IRM reference, that's exactly the kind of official guidance I was looking for. @Jackie Martinez I'm going to start watching for that TC290 code you mentioned. Does anyone know if there's a way to tell if your prior year return has actually been processed vs just received? My transcript still shows "no record of return filed" for 2021 but I got a confirmation when I e-filed it 6 weeks ago.

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Zoe Wang

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@Fernanda Marquez The no "record of return filed status" on your transcript is actually normal for the first 4-6 weeks after e-filing a prior year return. The IRS has to move it through several internal processing stages before it shows up on your account transcript. You ll'know it s'been processed when you see the return appear with posting dates and transaction codes. In the meantime, you can call the practitioner priority line if (you have a POA or) use the regular customer service line to confirm they received your return - they can see it in their system even before it posts to your transcript. Hang in there, 6 weeks is still within the normal processing window!

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Dylan Wright

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I went through this same situation two years ago and it was absolutely maddening! I had 570/971 codes on my 2021 return because I hadn't filed 2020 (long story involving a move and lost documents). What really helped me was understanding that there are actually TWO separate processing queues - one for the missing return and one for releasing the hold on your current year refund. My timeline was: Filed missing 2020 return on January 15th โ†’ saw it post to transcript February 28th โ†’ hold released on 2021 return March 14th. So about 8 weeks total, but only 2 weeks after the prior year actually posted to my account. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: don't panic if you see additional transaction codes appear during the waiting period. I saw a 766 code show up that scared me, but my tax preparer explained it was just part of the normal processing flow. The key milestone to watch for is when your missing year actually appears on your transcript with a 150 code - that's when you know the countdown to hold release has really started!

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Anna Kerber

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@Dylan Wright This is incredibly helpful! I m'in a similar boat right now and your breakdown of the two separate processing queues makes so much sense. I ve'been stressing every time I check my transcript and don t'see changes, but knowing that the real countdown starts when the missing return posts with a 150 code gives me a much clearer milestone to watch for. Did you happen to notice any pattern with when transcripts update during the week? I ve'been checking daily but wondering if there are specific days when the IRS typically posts updates.

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