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Lara Woods

How to properly complete a W4 for new job to maximize paycheck without owing IRS

Hey everyone, I'm starting a new job next month and really want to get my W4 filled out correctly. I want to make sure I'm not giving the government an interest-free loan but also don't want to end up owing a bunch at tax time. My situation: - Married but filing separately - I have 1 dependent child - New salary is about $65,000 with biweekly pay periods - The IRS withholding estimator is confusing me - it's suggesting I should add extra withholding but I don't understand why I tried using the IRS withholding estimator tool online but honestly got more confused. It was telling me I should add additional money for withholding in one of the boxes, which seems opposite of what I want. Can someone walk me through how to properly fill this out? Has anyone used that IRS estimator successfully? Thanks in advance!

Adrian Hughes

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The new W4 form can definitely be confusing since they removed the allowances system. Here's a breakdown of how to approach it for your situation: Since you're married filing separately with one dependent, make sure you check the "Married filing separately" box in Step 1(c). For Step 2, you'll only need to complete this if you have multiple jobs or if your spouse works (which impacts withholding calculations). For Step 3 (dependents), you can claim the child tax credit for your dependent - typically $2,000 for a qualifying child. This will reduce your withholding. If the IRS calculator is telling you to add more withholding in Step 4(c), it might be because your current withholding pattern would leave you owing at tax time. This could be due to your specific tax situation or prior withholding history. Without seeing the exact numbers the calculator gave you, it's hard to say for sure, but the calculator is generally pretty accurate if you input all your information correctly.

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Thanks for explaining! For Step 2, if I'm married filing separately but my spouse also works, do I still need to check box 2(c) or complete the multiple jobs worksheet? I thought that was mainly if we file jointly?

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Adrian Hughes

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For married filing separately, you should generally treat your taxes independently from your spouse. You wouldn't need to check box 2(c) or complete the multiple jobs worksheet based on your spouse's employment since you're filing separately. The multiple jobs worksheet is most relevant when you personally have more than one job simultaneously. If you only have the single job paying $65,000, you can skip Step 2 entirely. This might be part of why the calculator was suggesting additional withholding - if you indicated multiple income sources but aren't accounting for them in your W-4.

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Ian Armstrong

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Sofia Price

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Make sure you consider all your income sources when filling out the W4. Since the 2020 redesign, the form is supposed to be more accurate but it's also more complicated. If you have any investment income, side hustles, rental property, etc. that might not have withholding, you'll need to account for that by either doing quarterly estimated payments or increasing your withholding at your main job.

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Lara Woods

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Thanks for bringing this up! I do have about $3,000 a year from a small side gig. Should I be accounting for that directly on the W4 or should I be doing those quarterly payments you mentioned?

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Sofia Price

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For $3,000 in side income, you have two options. You can include it on your W4 by adding the estimated tax amount in Step 4(a) as "other income" which will increase your withholding from your main job to cover it. Alternatively, you could make quarterly estimated payments. This is often better if your side income fluctuates a lot. The rule of thumb is if you expect to owe more than $1,000 at tax time, you should make estimated payments to avoid an underpayment penalty. For $3,000 in extra income, you're probably looking at around $500-700 in additional tax depending on your tax bracket.

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Alice Coleman

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Don't overthink this! The W4 isn't as complicated as people make it out to be. For your situation, just check "married filing separately," put your dependent in Step 3, and leave the rest blank if you only have one job with no other income. If you want to be super safe, put an extra $50 per paycheck in line 4(c) for additional withholding. Better to get a small refund than owe!

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Owen Jenkins

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This is bad advice. Blanket recommendations like "put an extra $50" don't account for specific situations. That could be way too much or too little depending on income level and other factors. The whole point of the new W4 is to be more precise.

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