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2 has anyone looked into the "trader tax status" election? from what i understand, you can make a section 475(f) election that lets you treat your trades as ordinary income/loss instead of capital gains/losses. might be better than the LLC route depending on your situation? especially if you ever have losses, since you avoid the $3k capital loss limitation. i'm not an expert tho so would love to hear if others have done this.
20 I made the Section 475(f) election two years ago and it's been incredibly valuable. Last year when the market tanked in Q2, I had significant losses that I was able to offset against other income instead of being stuck with the $3k capital loss limitation. The major downside is that ALL your trades become ordinary income - you lose the possibility of long-term capital gains rates. So it really only makes sense if you're primarily doing short-term trading anyway. Also worth noting that the election needs to be made by April 15th of the tax year (not the filing deadline), so it requires planning ahead. And once you make it, you're generally locked in for future years unless you request permission to revoke it.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is the potential impact on your wife's Social Security benefits. If she's been out of the workforce for a while, having documented earnings through the LLC could help build her Social Security credits and increase her future benefits. Also, regarding the retirement account question - if you do set up an LLC and she becomes an employee, consider a Solo 401(k) instead of a traditional 401(k) plan. Solo 401(k)s have much lower administrative costs and allow for higher contribution limits if she's also considered an owner of the business. Just make sure to consult with a tax professional who has experience with trading businesses before making any decisions. The IRS has specific guidelines for what constitutes a legitimate trading business versus investment activity, and getting this wrong could result in penalties and back taxes.
Great point about the Social Security benefits! I hadn't considered that aspect. My wife has been out of the workforce for about 5 years now, so having documented earnings could definitely help her build up credits. The Solo 401(k) suggestion is interesting too. Do you know if there are any restrictions on contribution limits when the earnings come primarily from trading activities? I've heard conflicting information about whether trading income counts as "earned income" for retirement account purposes. Also, any recommendations for finding a tax professional who specializes in trading businesses? My current CPA is great for regular tax stuff but admits he doesn't have much experience with trader tax elections and business structures for trading.
Make sure you don't exceed the HSA contribution limits! For 2025, they're $4,150 for individual coverage and $8,300 for family coverage. If you're 55 or older, you can add another $1,000 as a catch-up contribution. Going over these limits means you'll have to withdraw the excess or pay a 6% excise tax on the extra amount. Not fun!
Those aren't the right limits! For 2025, individual is $4,550 and family is $9,100. Plus the $1,000 catch-up for 55+. Just wanted to make sure accurate info is here!
Great detective work figuring out that your HSA contributions are being handled as post-tax deductions! That explains exactly why they weren't reducing your taxable wages on your pay stub like your 403(b) contributions did. You're absolutely correct that you'll need to claim the HSA deduction when you file your taxes using Form 8889. This will reduce your adjusted gross income by the full $2,950, giving you the same tax benefit as if it had been deducted pre-tax from your paychecks. Many people don't realize that HSAs can work either way - through pre-tax payroll deductions OR as a tax deduction when you file. The end result is identical in terms of tax savings. You might want to ask your HR department if you can switch to pre-tax HSA deductions for next year to make things simpler and get the tax benefit spread throughout the year rather than all at once when you file. And yes, you'll still get all three tax advantages of the HSA - no taxes going in (via the deduction), no taxes on growth, and no taxes coming out for qualified medical expenses!
Does anyone know if we need to file Form 8833 every year? I filed it last year when I first came on my J-1, but I'm not sure if I need to do it again this year.
Yes, you need to file Form 8833 each tax year that you're claiming treaty benefits. The exception is if you're only claiming treaty benefits for dependent personal services income (like a regular job) and your total income is under $100,000. But for most J-1 holders receiving scholarships or stipends exempt under treaties, you'll need to file it annually.
I went through this exact same struggle last year with my J-1 visa from Canada! The language barrier definitely makes these forms even more confusing than they already are. One thing that really helped me was finding the actual treaty text between the US and Spain on the IRS website. Search for "United States Spain Income Tax Treaty" and look for the PDF. Article 20 is usually the one that covers students and trainees - it should give you the exact language you can reference in your Form 8833. Also, don't feel bad about calling the IRS multiple times if you need to. I called three different times and got three different answers, but the third agent was really knowledgeable about international treaties and walked me through everything step by step. For what it's worth, I found that keeping my answers in the boxes simple and straightforward worked better than trying to be too detailed. The IRS just wants to understand your situation clearly. Β‘Buena suerte! You've got this - it's definitely intimidating but once you get through it the first time, next year will be much easier.
Thanks for mentioning Article 20! I actually found the US-Spain treaty PDF and you're absolutely right - Article 20 is exactly what I needed. It's so much clearer when you can see the actual treaty language instead of trying to guess what applies to your situation. I'm definitely going to try calling the IRS again. Maybe I'll get lucky and reach someone who actually knows about international tax treaties this time. Your point about keeping the answers simple is really helpful too - I was overthinking it and trying to write paragraphs when they probably just want the basic facts. Β‘MuchΓsimas gracias! It's so reassuring to hear from someone who went through the same thing and made it through successfully.
This is slightly off-topic, but has anyone been audited for ERTC claims? My S-Corp got the refund for 2020-2021 (about $62k), and I'm working on the amendments now, but I'm hearing horror stories about aggressive audits specifically targeting ERTC. I'm reducing the wage expense by the full amount as others have said, but I'm worried about whether our original claim will be scrutinized. We had a 37% revenue drop in the qualifying quarters, so I think we're solid, but these rumors about audits have me nervous.
Our company was selected for review (not a full audit) about 4 months after receiving our ERTC. They mostly wanted documentation proving our revenue decline and that we had eligible wages. We provided quarterly P&Ls, bank statements, and payroll records. After about 6 weeks they closed the review with no changes. Just keep good documentation!
I went through this exact same situation with my S-Corp last year! The key thing to remember is that you reduce wage expenses by the FULL ERTC amount you received (minus any interest). This includes both the refundable and nonrefundable portions. When I was doing my amendments, I made the mistake initially of only reducing by the refundable portion, but my CPA caught it and explained that the IRS considers the entire credit as essentially reimbursing wages you already deducted. You can't get a tax benefit twice for the same expense. Make sure you're amending the correct tax years - so if you got credits for 2020 Q2-Q4 and 2021 Q1-Q3, you'll need separate amended 1120S forms for each year. Also, don't forget that these wage expense reductions will flow through to your K-1 and affect your personal return too. Good luck with getting everything sorted before your accountant gets back! Having all your documentation organized will definitely make that meeting go much smoother.
Thanks for sharing your experience! This is really helpful. I'm curious - when the wage expense reductions flowed through to your K-1, did it significantly impact your personal tax liability? I'm trying to estimate what the effect will be on my individual return since the reduced business expenses will increase my pass-through income. Also, did you have to make any estimated tax payments to cover the additional tax from the increased K-1 income, or were you able to handle it at year-end filing?
Great question! Yes, it did impact my personal return since the reduced wage expenses increased my pass-through income from the S-Corp. In my case, the $78k ERTC reduction added about that same amount to my K-1 ordinary business income. The tax impact wasn't as bad as I initially feared though, because you have to remember you're essentially trading the wage expense deduction for the ERTC refund you already received. So while your taxable income goes up, you got that cash refund to help cover the additional taxes. I didn't make estimated payments because I discovered this late in the year, but I did have to pay some additional tax at filing. My advice would be to calculate the estimated impact now and consider making a quarterly payment if the amount is significant - better to be safe than pay underpayment penalties. Your accountant can help you run the numbers once they're back from vacation.
Isabella Oliveira
Similar issue happened to me. I just claimed an adjustment on my tax return instead of going through the hassle of getting a corrected W-2. If you use tax software, there should be a section for "unreported income adjustments" or something similar. I entered a negative amount for the cell reimbursement to offset what was incorrectly included in Box 1. It's technically not the most proper way to handle it, but my accountant said it's fine as long as I keep documentation showing why the adjustment was valid. Been doing it this way for years with no issues.
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Ravi Kapoor
β’Be really careful with this approach. I did the same thing in 2023 and got a letter from the IRS about the discrepancy between what I reported and what my W-2 showed. Had to provide a ton of documentation, and they initially disallowed my adjustment. Eventually got it sorted, but it was a huge headache. The proper way is still to get a corrected W-2. If your employer won't issue one, you should file Form 4852 (Substitute for Form W-2) along with your return explaining the correction.
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Amina Toure
This is a really common issue! I went through something similar last year. The key thing to understand is that cell phone reimbursements can be non-taxable, but only if your employer has set up what's called an "accountable plan" and the reimbursement is primarily for business purposes. From what you're describing, it sounds like your employer may have incorrectly included the reimbursement as taxable income. Here's what I'd recommend: 1) First, check with your HR/payroll department to understand their policy. Ask specifically if they consider their cell phone reimbursement program an "accountable plan" under IRS guidelines. 2) If they've made an error, push for a corrected W-2 (Form W-2c). This is the cleanest way to handle it. 3) If they refuse to issue a correction and you're confident they're wrong, you can handle it on your tax return, but you'll need solid documentation showing the business purpose and that you properly accounted for the reimbursement. The $900 difference is definitely worth pursuing - that could save you $200+ depending on your tax bracket. Don't let slow HR discourage you from getting this fixed properly!
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Sophie Hernandez
β’This is really helpful advice! I'm new to dealing with tax issues like this. When you mention "properly accounted for the reimbursement" - what exactly does that mean? Do I need to keep receipts for my phone bill or is it more about showing I used the phone for work? My company just automatically deposits $75/month into my account without requiring any documentation from me, which makes me wonder if they even have an accountable plan set up.
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