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How to Handle Long-term Disability Repayment After SSDI Approval - Tax Implications?

So I finally got approved for SSDI in November 2024 and received backpay covering 2023/2024. The amount was pretty substantial and I ended up having to pay around $11k in taxes this year because of it. Here's my situation - I now owe my employer's long-term disability insurance company approximately $76k (they were paying me throughout 2023/2024 while I was waiting for SSDI approval). Now that I've been approved, they want their money back since there was a provision that said any SSDI payments would offset what they paid me. My question is about the tax implications: When I repay this large amount to the LTD company, will I need to itemize deductions to get back the taxes I already paid on that income? Also, will the $76k I pay back this year offset any other income for tax purposes? I'm receiving ongoing SSDI payments, plus I have some pension income and realized some capital gains this year. I'm trying to understand how this repayment affects my overall tax situation going forward. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

This is actually a pretty common situation with disability payments. What you're looking at is something called a "claim of right" repayment, which comes into play when you repay income that you previously received and paid taxes on. You have two options for handling this tax-wise: 1) You can itemize the repayment as a miscellaneous itemized deduction on Schedule A if it's $3,000 or less, OR 2) If the repayment exceeds $3,000 (which yours definitely does at $76k), you can take it as a credit on your tax return for the year of repayment. The credit method is typically more advantageous for larger repayments since it directly reduces your tax liability rather than just your taxable income. It also doesn't require you to itemize deductions, which is helpful if you normally take the standard deduction. For the second part of your question, this repayment doesn't directly offset other income like your ongoing SSDI, pension, or capital gains. Instead, it creates a separate tax credit based on the tax benefit you would have received had you not included that income in the previous years.

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Thanks for the explanation. I've never dealt with this before. Could you clarify how exactly the tax credit would work? Would I need to file amended returns for 2023 and 2024 (the years I received the LTD payments), or is this all handled on my 2025 return when I make the repayment?

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You don't need to file amended returns for the previous years. The tax credit method handles everything on your 2025 tax return (the year you make the repayment). The calculation gets a bit complex, but essentially, you'll calculate the tax benefit you would have received had you excluded the repaid income from your previous years' returns. This becomes your credit amount. You'll need to use IRS Form 8833 to document this claim of right repayment. Most good tax software can handle this calculation, but given the large amount involved, you might want to consult with a tax professional to ensure it's done correctly.

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Did they help with the actual calculations? I'm in a similar situation but with a smaller amount (about $25k repayment) and I'm worried about getting the math wrong on the credit calculation.

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One thing to consider that hasn't been mentioned yet is that the disability insurance premiums might affect your situation. If you paid the LTD premiums with after-tax dollars, then a portion of your benefits would've been non-taxable. This complicates the repayment calculation. You should check your pay stubs or ask your former employer whether the LTD premiums were deducted post-tax or pre-tax. If post-tax, you need to calculate what percentage of your benefits were actually taxable, because you'd only get credit for repaying the taxable portion.

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I didn't even think about the premium aspect! Looking back at my paystubs, it looks like the LTD premiums were actually deducted post-tax. Do you know how I would calculate what percentage was taxable? The W-2 from 2023 and 2024 included the LTD payments but I'm not sure how to determine what portion should have been non-taxable.

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You'd need to determine what percentage of the total premiums paid for the policy were paid with after-tax dollars. If 100% of the premiums were paid with after-tax money, then none of the benefits should have been taxable. If only a portion was paid with after-tax dollars, then a corresponding percentage of benefits would be non-taxable. For example, if you paid 100% of the premiums with after-tax money, you may have a case to amend your previous returns since those disability benefits shouldn't have been taxed initially. But if your employer paid part of the premiums pre-tax, you'll need to determine the ratio. Your HR department or benefits administrator should be able to provide documentation on how the premiums were handled.

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Has anyone used TurboTax to handle this type of repayment situation? I'm wondering if the regular version can handle the claim of right credit or if I need to upgrade to their premium version.

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I used TurboTax Premier last year for a similar situation (had to repay about $30k in retirement benefits). It did handle the claim of right calculation, but I had to dig around to find where to enter it. It's not very intuitive in their interface. You definitely need at least the Premier version though, not the Deluxe.

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This is a complex situation that definitely requires careful handling. One important point to add to the excellent advice already given - make sure you get proper documentation from your LTD carrier showing the exact breakdown of what you're repaying and for which time periods. When dealing with the claim of right repayment, the IRS will want to see clear records showing that this was income you previously reported and paid taxes on. Keep all correspondence with the LTD company, including their demand letter and any settlement agreements. Also, since you mentioned you had substantial capital gains this year, be aware that the timing of your repayment could affect your overall tax bracket and potentially impact other aspects of your return (like net investment income tax or additional Medicare tax). The claim of right credit calculation takes this into account, but it's another reason why consulting with a tax professional might be worth the cost given the amounts involved. One more thing - if you're making the $76k repayment in installments rather than a lump sum, you'll need to determine how to handle the tax treatment. Generally, you'd claim the credit in the year you actually make the payments, not when you agree to the repayment terms.

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This is really helpful advice about the documentation requirements. I'm curious about the installment payment aspect you mentioned - what if someone negotiates a payment plan with the LTD company? Would you claim the credit proportionally each year as you make payments, or does the IRS allow you to claim the full credit in the first year even if you're paying over multiple years? I imagine the timing could significantly impact the tax benefit depending on your income levels in different years.

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Great question about installment payments! Generally, you can only claim the Section 1341 credit for amounts actually paid during the tax year, not for the full amount you've agreed to repay. So if you negotiate a payment plan, you'd claim the credit proportionally each year as payments are made. However, there's an important exception - if you have an enforceable agreement to repay and the amount is fixed, some tax professionals argue you might be able to claim the full credit in the first year. But this is a gray area and the IRS tends to prefer the "actual payment" method. You're absolutely right about the timing impact on tax benefits. If your income varies significantly year to year, it could be worth running projections to see whether a lump sum payment in a high-income year versus spreading it over multiple years would provide better overall tax benefits. The credit calculation looks back at your prior year tax rates, so the benefit per dollar repaid stays the same, but your current year situation affects how much that credit helps you.

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Just wanted to add another consideration that might help with your situation - timing your repayment strategically within the tax year. Since you mentioned having capital gains and other income this year, you might want to coordinate the timing of your LTD repayment with other tax planning moves. For example, if you have control over when you realize additional capital gains or take other distributions, you could potentially time the repayment to maximize the benefit of the Section 1341 credit. The credit is calculated based on your prior years' tax situation, but how much it helps your current year depends on your current tax bracket. Also, don't forget to consider state tax implications. Some states don't recognize the federal claim of right credit, so you might need to handle the repayment differently for state tax purposes. This could affect whether it makes sense to itemize deductions versus taking the credit route. Given the complexity and the substantial amounts involved ($76k repayment plus $11k in taxes already paid), I'd really recommend getting a consultation with a tax professional who has experience with disability insurance repayments. The potential tax savings from getting this right could easily justify the cost of professional advice.

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This is excellent strategic advice about timing! I hadn't considered how coordinating the repayment timing with other income events could optimize the tax benefit. One question about the state tax implications you mentioned - do you happen to know which states typically don't recognize the federal Section 1341 credit? I'm in California and want to make sure I understand how this might affect my state return. Also, regarding your point about professional consultation - do you have any recommendations for finding tax professionals who specifically have experience with disability insurance repayments? This seems like a pretty specialized area and I want to make sure I find someone who really knows the ins and outs of these situations rather than just a general tax preparer. The amounts involved definitely justify getting expert help, but I want to make sure I'm finding the right kind of expert!

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Great questions! For California specifically, you're in luck - CA generally follows federal tax treatment for claim of right repayments, so you should be able to use a similar approach on your state return. However, the calculation might be slightly different since CA tax rates and brackets don't match federal exactly. States that typically don't recognize or have limited recognition of Section 1341 include some that don't have income tax (like Texas, Florida) or have very different tax structures. But most states with income taxes that mirror federal AGI calculations will allow some form of the credit. For finding specialized tax professionals, I'd suggest looking for: 1. CPAs or EAs who specifically mention disability/SSDI experience on their websites 2. Professionals who work with disabled clients or disability attorneys 3. Tax pros who advertise experience with "claim of right" or Section 1341 situations You might also contact your state CPA society for referrals, or check if any local disability advocacy organizations have recommended tax preparers. Some attorneys who specialize in disability law also have relationships with tax professionals experienced in these situations. Given you're dealing with both the LTD repayment AND ongoing SSDI taxation issues, finding someone with this specific expertise will definitely be worth it for the long-term tax planning aspects too.

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