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SSDI backpay caused $75k LTD overpayment - negotiating settlement with insurance company?

Just found out I owe my Long Term Disability insurance company about $75,000 after getting approved for SSDI. The retroactive payment from Social Security triggered this huge 'overpayment' since my LTD policy reduced benefits dollar-for-dollar with SSDI. They've offered a payment plan where I can choose the monthly amount, and I've started with $950/month which will take me over 6 years to pay off! Has anyone successfully negotiated a lump sum settlement for less than the full amount? I've heard rumors that some insurance companies will accept 60-70% of the total if paid all at once, but I'm hesitant to drain my savings without knowing if this actually works. How do you even approach that conversation? What's a reasonable percentage to offer without insulting them and ruining my chances?

Yes, this is absolutely negotiable! When I received my SSDI backpay in 2022, I owed my LTD carrier about $42,000. I called and simply asked if they would accept a lump sum settlement at a reduced amount. They initially offered a 15% reduction, but I countered with 40% off. We eventually settled at 30% reduction - I paid about $29,400 instead of the full amount. The key is to have the lump sum ready to transfer immediately once they agree. They value getting funds now rather than waiting years, especially since some people eventually stop paying.

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That's really encouraging! Did you negotiate directly or use a lawyer? I'm nervous about the conversation since it's such a large amount. Also, did they require any specific documentation about your financial situation to justify the reduction?

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my cousin got a 50% reduction last year but they made him sign something saying he couldn't ever apply for benefits with them again. be careful what your agreeing to

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This is critical advice. Insurance companies often include clauses in these settlements that waive future rights or benefits. Get EVERYTHING in writing and possibly have an attorney review before signing any settlement. I've seen cases where people didn't realize they were signing away important protections.

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DONT NEGOTIATE!! Pay what you owe!!!!! You signed a contract with them and they paid you when you needed it. This attitude of trying to get out of legit debts is whats wrong with society today.

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This is actually a normal business practice. Insurance companies themselves routinely negotiate settlements with providers and claimants. They factor potential settlements into their business model. It's not about "getting out of debts" but finding a mutually beneficial arrangement - they get immediate funds rather than risking non-payment over years. The same companies will absolutely negotiate when it benefits them.

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I negotiated my LTD overpayment down by 35% after my SSDI approval last year. Here's what worked for me: 1. Call the recovery unit directly (not the general customer service) 2. Emphasize that you're offering immediate payment vs. years of collections 3. Mention that your financial situation remains precarious despite SSDI approval 4. Start with offering 50-60% of the total amount 5. Have documentation of any ongoing medical expenses that impact your ability to pay The key is being persistent but professional. My first rep said no reductions were possible, but when I called back a week later, I got someone who was authorized to negotiate. These companies have settlement authority built into their processes - it's just a matter of reaching the right person.

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This is incredibly helpful! I'll definitely try reaching the recovery unit directly. Did you put your offer in writing after the phone call or was it all handled verbally until the final agreement?

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im in a similar situtaion but mine is only 23k. following this to see what people say.

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Even at 23k you should definitely try negotiating! I've worked with several clients who successfully negotiated LTD overpayments. Just make sure you're dealing with the correct department - sometimes the regular claim handlers say no reductions are possible, but the recovery/collections department has different authority.

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This is very common with SSDI approvals. The LTD overpayment occurs because most policies contain an "offset provision" that reduces your LTD payment by the amount of any SSDI benefits. Since SSDI approvals often come with substantial backpay, this creates the large overpayment. Regarding settlement: Yes, insurance companies regularly accept reduced lump sums. The typical range I've seen is 20-40% reduction, depending on: - Your documented financial hardship - How long the payment plan would otherwise take - Your likelihood of maintaining payments - The specific company (some are more flexible than others) If you have the funds available, I'd recommend starting with an offer around 65% of the total. Have it ready in writing, emphasizing that you're offering guaranteed immediate payment instead of uncertain long-term collections. Include basic documentation of any financial hardship if applicable.

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Thank you for explaining this so clearly! I've been confused about why this happened, but the offset provision makes sense now. I'll prepare a written offer as you suggested. Should I also mention that continuing the $950/month payments might become difficult for me at some point, or would that come across as threatening to default?

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FYI - Getting through to someone with authority to actually negotiate these settlements at insurance companies can be extremely difficult. I spent WEEKS trying to reach the right person at my LTD carrier when I was in your situation. I eventually used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to a real person at the insurance company's settlement department. They have a system that navigates the phone trees and waits on hold for you, then calls you when a representative is on the line. Saved me hours of frustration. You can see how it works in their video demo: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU With the right person, I was able to negotiate my overpayment down by 32%. Don't accept the first offer - they expect negotiation.

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Thanks for the tip! I've been calling the main customer service line and getting nowhere - they just keep telling me to talk to my claims manager who never answers. I'll check out that service. Did they transfer you to a specific department when you finally got through?

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wait did u say ur paying $950 a month and it will take 6 years?? thats almost $70k! i thought u said u owe $60k?? check their math!!!

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Crap, you're right! I need to double-check their calculation. The initial letter said approximately $75k, but I haven't received an itemized statement showing exactly how they calculated it. I'm going to request that immediately. Thank you for catching this!

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I forgot to mention in my earlier comment - make sure you understand how the LTD company calculated the overpayment. They should only be counting the overlap period when you received both SSDI and full LTD payments. I've seen companies try to claim overpayment for periods before your LTD even started, which is incorrect. Ask for an itemized statement showing each month's calculation.

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I just called and requested this! They're sending me an itemized statement next week. The representative mentioned something about including dependent benefits in the calculation, but my kids never received any SSDI benefits related to my claim. This makes me think I really need to scrutinize their math.

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One time i had to deal with social security office for like 3 weeks trying to get them to fix a mistake on my record... never again!!! They kept transfering me to different departments and nobody knew anything.

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While that's frustrating, this thread is about negotiating with private LTD insurance companies after receiving SSDI, not about problems with the Social Security Administration itself. Those are separate issues with different approaches to resolution.

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Another important tip: If you negotiate a settlement, get a "Payment in Full" settlement letter BEFORE sending any money. The letter should clearly state that your payment constitutes complete satisfaction of the debt with no further obligation. I've seen cases where people paid the negotiated amount but the company later claimed it was just a "partial payment" because the paperwork wasn't clear.

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Excellent point! I'll definitely make sure to get this in writing first. Would an email confirmation be sufficient, or should I ask for a formal letter on company letterhead?

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I'd strongly recommend getting a formal letter on company letterhead rather than just an email. Email can be harder to enforce legally if there are disputes later. The formal settlement letter should include specific language like "upon receipt of $X, [Company Name] agrees this payment constitutes full and final settlement of all claims related to account #[your account number], with no further amounts owed." Keep the original letter with your important documents - you may need it for tax purposes too since forgiven debt can sometimes be taxable.

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I went through this exact situation 18 months ago with a $52k LTD overpayment after my SSDI approval. Here's what I learned: First, absolutely get that itemized statement before doing anything else. Mine initially showed $52k, but after reviewing the breakdown, I found they had incorrectly included 4 months where I wasn't even receiving LTD benefits yet. The corrected amount was $38k. For negotiation, I successfully settled at 35% reduction ($24,700 final payment). Key things that helped: - I had the lump sum ready to transfer immediately - I documented ongoing medical expenses that weren't covered by insurance - I emphasized that my SSDI amount was lower than expected, creating ongoing financial strain - I was persistent but polite - took 3 different phone calls to reach someone with settlement authority The whole process took about 6 weeks from first contact to final settlement. Don't let them rush you into accepting their first offer, but also don't drag it out too long or they may withdraw settlement options entirely. One warning: Make sure any settlement agreement explicitly states you can still receive LTD benefits for future unrelated disabilities. Some companies try to include blanket waivers that could affect future coverage.

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This is incredibly detailed and helpful - thank you for sharing your experience! The part about them incorrectly including months when you weren't even receiving LTD benefits is exactly what I'm worried about. I'm definitely going to scrutinize that itemized statement carefully when it arrives. Your timeline of 6 weeks also gives me a realistic expectation for how long this process might take. Did you initiate the negotiation immediately after getting the corrected calculation, or did you make a few regular payments first to show good faith?

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I'm currently dealing with a similar situation - received my SSDI approval last month and just got notification of a $48k LTD overpayment. Reading through everyone's experiences here has been incredibly helpful! I'm planning to request the itemized statement first (thanks for that advice), then try to negotiate a lump sum settlement. One question I haven't seen addressed: For those who successfully negotiated, did the insurance company report the forgiven debt amount to the IRS? I'm wondering if I need to prepare for potential tax implications on whatever amount gets reduced from the settlement. Also, has anyone had experience with different insurance companies being more or less willing to negotiate? Mine is through Unum - curious if they're typically flexible with settlements or if I should prepare for a tougher negotiation.

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Great questions! Regarding tax implications - yes, forgiven debt over $600 is typically reported on Form 1099-C, so you'll want to factor that into your settlement calculations. The forgiven amount could be considered taxable income unless you qualify for an exception (like insolvency). I'd recommend consulting a tax professional once you know the settlement amount. As for Unum specifically, I've heard mixed experiences. Some people report they're fairly reasonable with settlements (especially if you can demonstrate financial hardship), while others say they're initially rigid but will negotiate if you're persistent. The key seems to be reaching their recovery/collections department rather than regular customer service. Given that you just got your SSDI approval, you're in the optimal timeframe to negotiate - they know you have the backpay funds available for a lump sum settlement. Definitely get that itemized statement first though. I've seen several cases where Unum's initial overpayment calculations included errors that significantly reduced the actual amount owed.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful - I'm dealing with a similar LTD overpayment situation and feeling less overwhelmed after reading everyone's experiences. A few additional thoughts based on what I've learned from other cases: 1. Document EVERYTHING during your negotiation calls - dates, names of representatives, what was discussed. Insurance companies sometimes have different departments give conflicting information. 2. If you're considering a settlement, calculate the total cost difference including potential tax implications on forgiven debt. Sometimes paying the full amount over time might actually cost less than a "discounted" lump sum when you factor in taxes. 3. Be aware that some LTD policies have clauses about "good faith cooperation" with offset investigations. Make sure your negotiation approach doesn't inadvertently violate any policy terms. 4. Consider timing - if you're still within any appeal periods for your SSDI amount, you might want to wait to see if your monthly benefit gets adjusted before finalizing any settlement. Has anyone dealt with situations where the LTD company tried to claim overpayment for attorney fees that were deducted from the SSDI backpay? I'm wondering if they're supposed to factor in those deductions when calculating what they're owed.

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Excellent points, especially about documenting everything! Regarding attorney fees - yes, LTD companies are supposed to calculate overpayment based on your net SSDI benefit (after attorney fees are deducted), not the gross amount. If they're including attorney fees in their overpayment calculation, that's incorrect and you should absolutely challenge it. The attorney fees were never money you actually received, so there's no basis for the LTD company to claim they "overpaid" you for those amounts. This is another reason why getting that detailed itemized statement is so crucial - it will show exactly how they calculated the overpayment and whether they properly accounted for attorney fee deductions.

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This is such valuable information from everyone - thank you all for sharing your experiences! I'm in a similar boat with a $58k LTD overpayment after my SSDI approval came through last month. Reading through these responses has given me so much confidence that negotiation is actually possible and normal. I'm particularly glad to see the advice about getting the itemized statement first. My initial letter from the insurance company was pretty vague about how they calculated the amount, and after seeing multiple people mention errors in the initial calculations, I'm definitely going to scrutinize every line item. One thing I'm curious about - for those who successfully negotiated settlements, how long did you wait after receiving your overpayment notice before starting negotiations? I'm wondering if there's any strategic advantage to waiting a bit vs. reaching out immediately while they know I have the SSDI backpay available. Also, has anyone dealt with Hartford Insurance for LTD overpayments? I'm hoping they're reasonable to work with like some of the other companies mentioned here.

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