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I'm experiencing the exact same thing! Filed on January 29th and my transcript looks identical to yours - all zeros, "Return Not Present" message, blank fields everywhere. It's been driving me crazy checking every day but after reading these responses I feel so much better knowing it's normal. The IRS processing times are definitely longer than usual this year. I called their automated line yesterday and it said they're experiencing higher than normal volume and returns are taking 21+ days to process. Hang in there - sounds like we just need to be patient while they work through the backlog. At least we're not alone in this waiting game! ๐
Same here! Filed on Feb 2nd and seeing the exact same thing. It's my first time filing as an independent so I was convinced I messed something up badly ๐ But reading all these responses is such a relief - sounds like we're all in the same boat just waiting for the IRS to catch up with their processing. Thanks for sharing your experience, makes me feel way less anxious about it!
I had the exact same panic last year when I filed in early February and didn't see my return show up for almost a month! The "Return Not Present" message is honestly the worst wording they could have chosen - it makes it sound like your return disappeared into the void. What helped me was understanding that the IRS transcript system and their actual processing system are separate. Your return can be sitting in their processing queue for weeks before it ever shows up on the transcript. The transcript basically just reflects what's been entered into their master computer system, not what they've actually received. Since you filed electronically on Jan 31st, you're still well within the normal processing window. The IRS is probably drowning in returns right now since that's peak filing time. I'd honestly stop checking the transcript daily (easier said than done, I know!) and maybe check once a week instead. Your return is almost certainly fine - just stuck in the processing backlog like everyone else's. The anxiety is real but try not to stress too much about it! ๐
Don't forget that US Social Security benefits paid to non-residents also fall into this middle category! If you worked in the US in the past but now live abroad, your Social Security payments are US-sourced income not effectively connected with a trade or business. These are generally subject to 30% withholding unless your country has a tax treaty with better terms. For example, Canada's treaty makes US Social Security completely exempt from US tax for Canadian residents.
That's super helpful! What about pension distributions from a 401k plan if you previously worked in the US but are now a non-resident? Would those also fall into this category?
Yes, 401(k) distributions to non-residents are generally treated the same way! They're considered US-sourced income not effectively connected with a trade or business, so they're subject to the 30% withholding rate (or whatever your treaty rate is). However, there's an important distinction: if the distributions are from employee contributions that were made with after-tax dollars, those portions aren't subject to withholding since they were already taxed. Only the pre-tax contributions and earnings are subject to the withholding. Many countries have treaty provisions that reduce or eliminate withholding on pension distributions. For example, the US-UK treaty generally exempts pension distributions from US withholding if you're a UK resident. Definitely worth checking your specific country's treaty!
This is such a helpful thread! I've been struggling with this exact issue as a non-resident. One thing that really helped me understand the distinction was thinking about it in terms of "passive" vs "active" income. The middle category (US-sourced income NOT effectively connected with a US trade or business) is essentially passive income - you're not actively working or conducting business in the US to earn it. Examples include: - Bank interest from US accounts - Dividends from US stocks in your investment portfolio - Capital gains from selling US securities - Rental income from a property you own but don't actively manage - Lottery or gambling winnings in the US - Annuity payments from US sources The key test is whether you have a "US trade or business." Simply owning investments or property doesn't create a trade or business - you need to be actively engaged in commercial activities with some regularity and continuity in the US. So if you're sitting in Tokyo and receive Apple dividends, that's passive US-sourced income taxed at 30% (or your treaty rate). But if you're flying to New York every month to actively manage a trading business, that same investment income might be "effectively connected" and taxed at regular US rates.
I had cycle code 20240505 on my transcript last month. My account updated exactly on February 1st (Thursday night/Friday morning). Then again on February 8th. My direct deposit hit my account on February 14th. The Thursday cycle pattern held true throughout the entire process. I've been tracking this for years and the cycle day is remarkably consistent - it's one of the few reliable patterns in the otherwise unpredictable IRS process.
I can confirm the cycle code pattern from personal experience. Had 20240505 last year and tracked updates religiously - my transcript updated every Thursday night/Friday morning like clockwork for 8 weeks straight. The pattern was so consistent that I eventually stopped checking daily and just looked Friday mornings. One thing to add: while your main updates will follow the Thursday cycle, don't panic if you occasionally see small adjustments on other days. The big movements (like refund approval, direct deposit dates) almost always happen on your cycle day. Also, if you're in review or have any issues, those resolution updates typically still follow your cycle pattern too. The IRS may not officially document this for the public, but their internal batch processing absolutely runs on weekly cycles. Your 20240505 puts you in the Thursday group, so mark your calendar and save yourself the daily stress!
This is exactly the kind of real-world data I was hoping to see! Thank you for sharing your 8-week tracking experience. It's reassuring to know that even during extended processing periods, the cycle pattern remains consistent. I'm definitely going to switch to Friday morning checks only - the daily disappointment of seeing no changes has been wearing me down. Did you notice if the time of day on Friday mornings was fairly consistent too, or did it vary?
This is such a comprehensive discussion! As a financial planner who works with a lot of engaged couples, I see the marriage penalty/bonus confusion all the time. What I love about Brady's approach is that it goes beyond the oversimplified "high earners = penalty" narrative that causes so much anxiety. One area I'd love to see explored more is how retirement account contribution strategies can help mitigate penalties. For couples facing significant penalties, maximizing both 401(k) contributions ($23,000 each for 2024) plus backdoor Roth conversions can meaningfully reduce AGI and move you out of some penalty territory. I've also noticed that couples often focus too heavily on the federal penalty while ignoring state-level impacts. Some states like New York actually have larger marriage penalties than federal, while others like Florida (no state tax) make the federal penalty more tolerable. The real-world examples everyone's sharing here - healthcare workers with irregular income, tech folks with RSUs, federal employees with TSP - really highlight why generic online calculators fall short. These edge cases are actually pretty common but rarely addressed in standard tax planning resources. Would be interested to hear if anyone has experience with "tax equalization" strategies where couples actively balance their individual tax burdens even when filing jointly. Sometimes restructuring who owns what investments or timing income differently can create significant savings.
This is such valuable insight from a professional perspective! The retirement account strategy you mentioned is something I hadn't fully considered. My partner and I are both eligible for 401(k) contributions but we've been focused more on the immediate penalty calculation rather than how maximizing our pre-tax contributions could help reduce our AGI and potentially move us into a better bracket. The "tax equalization" concept is really intriguing too. We've been thinking about our finances pretty separately up until now, but it sounds like there could be real benefits to strategically coordinating who holds which types of investments and when we realize gains or losses. Your point about state-level impacts is spot-on - I've been so focused on federal calculations that I haven't really dug into how our specific state (we're in Colorado) might add to or offset the federal penalty. It seems like this is yet another layer of complexity that the basic calculators don't handle well. As someone new to thinking seriously about tax strategy, do you have recommendations for how couples should approach finding professional help with this kind of planning? It seems like regular tax preparers might not have the specialized knowledge needed for these more complex optimization strategies.
This thread has been incredibly educational! I'm getting married in 6 months and had no idea about the complexity of marriage tax penalties until reading through everyone's experiences. My fiancรฉ and I are both teachers making around $65k each, so we're not in the super high-income brackets that seem to get hit hardest, but I'm still concerned about how our student loan payments and education credits might be affected. The point about student loan interest deduction phase-outs that @Camila Castillo raised really resonates - we're both still paying off substantial loans and losing that $5,000 combined deduction capacity could be a real hit to our budget. What I find most helpful about this discussion is seeing so many real-world examples with actual dollar amounts. It's made me realize that we probably need to do more detailed planning rather than just assuming "middle income = probably fine." The education credit impacts alone could be significant since my fiancรฉ is finishing up a master's degree. Brady, I'd definitely be interested in testing your simulator once it's ready - seems like having a tool that accounts for education-related tax benefits would be incredibly valuable for couples in teaching/academic fields. Thanks for sparking such an informative conversation!
Welcome to the community! Your situation as teachers is actually really important to highlight because the marriage penalty isn't just about high earners - the education-related benefits can create significant impacts at middle income levels too. At $65k each, you're probably right on the edge where the student loan interest deduction starts phasing out for married couples ($145k combined income). That's frustrating because as singles you'd each have the full $2,500 deduction available. The timing of your marriage could actually matter here - if you get married early in the year, you'll lose more of the deduction than if you wait until later. For the education credits with your fiancรฉ's master's degree, definitely run the numbers on married filing jointly vs separately. Sometimes MFS can help preserve education benefits even though you lose other advantages. The American Opportunity Credit phases out starting at $160k for married couples, so you should still be eligible. One thing specific to teachers - make sure you're both maximizing the $300 educator expense deduction. It's small but every bit helps, and you can each claim it even when married. Also check if your state has any teacher-specific tax benefits that might be affected by marriage. The student loan payment piece is crucial too - if you're on income-driven repayment plans, your payments will likely increase significantly once your incomes are combined for calculation purposes, even if your actual tax situation doesn't change much.
Luca Romano
Has anyone used TurboTax for calculating how bonuses affect your taxes? I'm trying to figure out if I should upgrade to their premium version this year since I got a significant bonus.
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Nia Jackson
โขI use TurboTax Premium and it handles bonuses just fine. You just enter the total from your W-2, and it doesn't matter whether the money came from regular salary or bonuses - it's all just income. You don't need to do anything special.
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Christian Burns
One thing that might help with your planning - if you're concerned about underwithholding on your bonus, you can submit a new W-4 to your employer to increase your withholding for the rest of the year. This way you can avoid owing a large amount at tax time without having to set aside cash separately. You can use the IRS withholding calculator on their website to figure out if you need to adjust. It takes into account your bonus and helps determine if your current withholding will cover your total tax liability. If not, you can increase your withholding on future paychecks to make up the difference. Another option is to make estimated quarterly tax payments if you prefer to handle the extra tax obligation that way rather than adjusting payroll withholding.
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Evelyn Kelly
โขThis is really helpful advice! I didn't realize you could adjust your W-4 mid-year to account for bonus income. The IRS withholding calculator sounds like exactly what I need to figure out if that 22% withholding on my bonus check will be enough. Quick question - if I do increase my withholding on future paychecks to cover the potential shortfall from my bonus, is there a risk of over-withholding and getting a huge refund next year? I'd rather get my withholding as close to accurate as possible rather than giving the government an interest-free loan.
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