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Luca Conti

How can I maximize American Opportunity Credit with my MAGI near the phaseout threshold?

I'm in the process of preparing our 2024 tax return and I'm facing a dilemma with the American Opportunity Credit. From what I understand, the American Opportunity Credit starts phasing out when your MAGI is between $160,000 and $180,000 for married filing jointly. Our income this year puts us right around $178,000, which means our AOC is getting reduced by something like 85% of what we could potentially claim. We have two kids in college - one is in their sophomore year and the other is a junior. Both are full-time students. I'm wondering about a potential strategy here... What would happen if I don't claim them as dependents on our tax return and instead let them file for the American Opportunity Credit on their own returns? Would they be eligible to claim the full amount of the credit themselves? Would this be a better approach given our MAGI is pushing us into the phaseout range? Has anyone tried this approach before? I want to make sure we're maximizing our educational tax benefits while staying within the rules.

Nia Johnson

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This is actually a smart strategy to consider given your situation. When your MAGI is in the phaseout range, you're losing a significant portion of the American Opportunity Credit benefit. For your children to claim the AOC on their own returns, two conditions must be met: 1) You don't claim them as dependents on your return, and 2) They have sufficient income to have a tax liability that the credit can offset (since the AOC is partially refundable - up to $1,000). If your children have some income from jobs but not enough to support themselves fully (meaning they could technically qualify as your dependents), this strategy could work well. Each eligible student could potentially claim up to the full $2,500 credit without phaseout issues, assuming their own incomes aren't high enough to trigger the phaseout on their returns. However, you should weigh this against other tax benefits you might lose by not claiming them as dependents, such as other education credits or deductions that might still be available to you despite the phaseout.

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CyberNinja

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Thanks for this info. If the students have very little income (like summer jobs only), would they still benefit from the credit since it's only partially refundable? Also, does giving up claiming them as dependents affect our tax bracket at all?

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Nia Johnson

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Yes, even with limited income, they can benefit. Since $1,000 of the AOC is refundable, they can receive that portion even if they have no tax liability. The remaining $1,500 can offset any tax they do owe. So even with just summer job income, there's potential benefit. Regarding your tax bracket, not claiming dependents doesn't directly change your tax bracket. However, you'll lose the dependent exemption value, which could impact your overall tax situation. You'll need to calculate both scenarios to see which provides the greater total family benefit.

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Mateo Lopez

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I was in a similar situation last year and discovered https://taxr.ai which saved me literally thousands on my education credits. I had 2 kids in college and was hitting the MAGI limits too. The tool analyzed all our education expenses and recommended exactly who should claim what to maximize our family's total credits. It confirmed that having my son claim his own AOC was better than me claiming it with the phaseout. What's cool is it asks about all the education expenses and then runs multiple scenarios to find which filing approach saves the most. It even handles the form 8863 calculations and tells you exactly what to enter where depending on which tax software you're using.

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Does it really work with the major tax software programs? I'm using TurboTax and their recommendations seem to conflict with what you're suggesting about letting the kids claim it themselves.

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Ethan Davis

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I'm skeptical. How would this be better than just running the numbers both ways yourself? Seems like you could just calculate your return both ways and compare.

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Mateo Lopez

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Yes, it absolutely works with major tax programs including TurboTax. The conflict you're seeing might be because TurboTax is calculating based on your individual return rather than optimizing across family members. The tool gives specific guidance on which forms and which lines to adjust in TurboTax to implement the strategy. Running the numbers both ways is exactly what this tool does automatically, but it considers all the complex interactions. When I tried doing this manually, I missed several factors like how the dependent exemption interacted with other deductions and credits. The tool catches all those nuances and runs every possible scenario.

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I actually just used taxr.ai after seeing the recommendation here and wow - it confirmed I should let my daughter claim her own AOC this year! I was right at the top of the phaseout ($177k) and the analysis showed we'd save over $1,800 as a family by having her file her own return with the credit instead of me claiming it. The guidance was super clear about exactly what to do in TurboTax too. I had to remove her as a dependent first, then it walked me through adjusting both returns. Definitely worth checking out if you're in the phaseout range!

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Yuki Tanaka

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Carmen Ortiz

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Ethan Davis

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Ethan Davis

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I'm back to eat my words about Claimyr. I tried it yesterday after posting my skeptical comment and it actually worked exactly as promised. Got connected to an IRS agent in about 12 minutes. The agent confirmed that having my kids claim their own American Opportunity Credit makes perfect sense in our situation since we're well into the phaseout range. She also mentioned that as long as they provide more than half of their own support (including student loans in THEIR names), they can claim themselves and the full AOC without any phaseout based on our income. This literally saved us over $4,000 in education credits compared to what we would have received with the phaseout!

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MidnightRider

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One thing nobody's mentioned - your kids need to have tax liability to get the full benefit of AOC. Only $1,000 of the $2,500 credit is refundable. So if they don't have jobs with income that generates at least $1,500 in tax liability, they won't get the full benefit of the credit. Also remember that if you don't claim them as dependents, you lose other potential benefits like the dependent care credit (if applicable) and the possibility of head of household filing status if you're single.

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Luca Conti

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Thanks for bringing this up! My kids actually both work part-time while in school. One made about $14,000 last year and the other around $12,500. Would that be enough income to take full advantage of the non-refundable portion of the AOC?

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MidnightRider

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With those income levels, they should have enough tax liability to take advantage of most if not all of the non-refundable portion of the AOC. At approximately $12,500-$14,000 of income, they would have roughly $1,250-$1,400 in federal tax liability (depending on other factors), which means they could utilize most of the non-refundable portion. They'd definitely get the full $1,000 refundable portion, plus be able to offset most of their tax liability with the remaining credit. This makes your strategy even more viable since they have enough income to benefit substantially from claiming the credit themselves.

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Andre Laurent

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Don't forget to have a written agreement with your kids if they're going to claim their own education credits! Last year I did this with my daughter, and she agreed to give me the tax savings since I paid her tuition. Without that agreement, she might have kept the refund even though I paid the qualifying expenses. Also make sure they understand they need to keep all the tuition statements and expense records for their tax files, not yours, since they're claiming the credits.

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Is that agreement really legally required? I never thought about needing documentation between family members.

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