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Isabella Santos

How can I completely opt out of Social Security payments? Is it possible?

I've been working full-time for about 6 years now, and honestly, I'm frustrated with how much money gets taken out of my paycheck for Social Security. I've read some articles that suggest Social Security might not even be around by the time I retire (I'm 28), so it feels like I'm just throwing money away that I could be investing myself. Is there actually a legal way to opt out of Social Security completely? I heard some religious groups can be exempt? I'm not particularly religious but would consider joining something if it meant I could keep that 6.2% of my income and invest it myself. I've tried looking this up online but get conflicting information. Some places say it's impossible unless you're self-employed or in certain religious groups, others suggest there are loopholes. Does anyone have actual experience with this or know the real rules?

StarStrider

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Tax professional here. Unfortunately, there are very few ways to legally opt out of Social Security taxes, and they're quite restrictive. The main exemptions are: 1. Members of certain religious groups that are conscientiously opposed to accepting Social Security benefits and have existed since 1950, like the Amish or Mennonites. This requires filing Form 4029 and proving you're a legitimate member of such communities. 2. Nonresident aliens working in the US temporarily on specific visas. 3. Some government employees who are covered by alternative retirement systems. Simply joining a religious organization for tax purposes wouldn't work - the IRS requires these groups to have been established for decades with a proven track record of caring for their elderly members without government assistance.

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Ravi Gupta

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What about being self-employed? I heard you can somehow get around paying it that way? Also, what happens if someone just doesn't pay into it? Like what are the penalties?

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StarStrider

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Being self-employed actually doesn't exempt you from Social Security taxes - you pay both the employee and employer portions through self-employment tax (15.3% total instead of 6.2%). This is reported on Schedule SE with your tax return. Not paying your required Social Security taxes is considered tax evasion and comes with serious consequences including penalties, interest, tax liens, seizure of assets, and in extreme cases, criminal prosecution. The IRS has very effective enforcement mechanisms for payroll taxes. They view failure to pay these taxes particularly seriously.

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Sean Doyle

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You should look into becoming a minister and taking a vow of poverty. I've heard that's one way to get exempted from Social Security taxes. There's some paperwork involved but it might be worth looking into.

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Zara Rashid

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Can you actually do this? Sounds like tax fraud if you're not actually a real minister. Plus don't you have to give up all your possessions or something? How would that be better than just paying Social Security?

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Sean Doyle

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You're right to question this - I should have been more clear. While ministers can elect to opt out of Social Security by filing Form 4361, they must be ordained, licensed, or commissioned ministers with genuine religious beliefs opposing government benefits. Taking a vow of poverty is different and applies to members of religious orders who work for the order and give all earnings to the order. The IRS takes religious exemptions very seriously and pursues cases of fraud aggressively. Falsely claiming to be a minister just to avoid taxes would absolutely be considered tax fraud with serious consequences. It's not worth risking legal troubles or penalties that would far exceed any tax savings.

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Luca Romano

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Honestly, instead of trying to opt out of Social Security (which is nearly impossible), you might want to focus on maximizing your retirement accounts like 401k, IRA, HSA etc. These give you tax advantages now while letting you control your own investments. The tax benefits can offset some of what you're paying into Social Security.

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Nia Jackson

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This is the best advice here. I was obsessed with trying to avoid SS taxes too until I realized I was missing out on thousands in tax advantages from retirement accounts. Max out your 401k ($23,000 for 2025 if you're under 50), IRA, and HSA if eligible. The tax deductions and long-term growth will likely outperform whatever you'd save by somehow avoiding Social Security.

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Malik Davis

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I understand your frustration with Social Security taxes - I felt the same way when I was starting my career. After researching this extensively, I can confirm what others have said: legitimate opt-outs are extremely limited and strictly regulated. The reality is that Social Security isn't just a retirement program - it also provides disability and survivor benefits that protect you and your family right now. Even if you're skeptical about future solvency, the program has never missed a payment in its 90-year history, and even worst-case projections show reduced benefits, not zero benefits. Rather than focusing on opting out (which likely isn't possible for your situation), consider this approach: maximize your tax-advantaged accounts first. If you're not already maxing out your 401(k), IRA, and HSA (if eligible), you're missing out on immediate tax savings that could be much more significant than your Social Security contributions. These accounts give you the investment control you're looking for while providing real tax benefits today. The 6.2% you pay into Social Security also comes with an employer match of 6.2%, so you're actually getting more value than it appears on your paycheck stub.

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Amina Toure

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This is really helpful perspective, thank you! I never thought about the disability and survivor benefits aspect - that's actually a good point since you never know what could happen. The employer match angle is interesting too - I was only thinking about what comes out of my paycheck, not the total contribution. I think you're right about focusing on the tax-advantaged accounts instead. I'm currently only putting in enough to get my company 401k match, so there's definitely room to increase that. Do you happen to know if there are income limits on IRAs that I should be aware of? I'm making around $75k now but expect that to grow over the next few years. Also curious - when you say "even worst-case projections show reduced benefits, not zero benefits," do you have a source for that? I'd love to read more about the actual data rather than just the doom-and-gloom headlines I keep seeing.

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