How to become exempt from social security tax - any legal options for opting out?
I'm getting really frustrated with how much gets taken out of my paychecks for social security. I honestly feel like I could get way better returns if I just invested that money myself in index funds or even real estate. Does anyone know if there's a legal way to opt out of paying social security tax or get an exemption? I'm not trying to do anything shady, just wondering if there are legitimate options. I calculated that over my career I'll pay well over $200k into the system and I'm skeptical about whether I'll even see that money when I retire.
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Chloe Delgado
So here's the deal with Social Security tax exemptions - they're extremely limited. There are really only a few categories of people who can legally opt out: 1) Members of certain religious groups that are conscientiously opposed to accepting Social Security benefits and have their own support systems for elderly members. The Amish and Mennonites are the classic examples. You'd need to file Form 4029 for this exemption. 2) Nonresident aliens working in the US temporarily with certain visa types. 3) Some government employees who participate in alternative retirement systems instead of Social Security. 4) Some foreign government employees working in the US. Unless you fall into one of those categories, you're pretty much required to pay into the system. The "invest it myself" argument is one I hear often, but unfortunately the system isn't set up to allow individual opt-outs based on personal investment preferences.
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Ava Harris
•Thanks for this info. Is there any way around this for self-employed people? I've heard some talk about setting up an S-Corp to minimize these taxes? Also, what about moving abroad? Does that exempt you?
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Chloe Delgado
•For self-employed individuals, setting up an S-Corp can help reduce your self-employment taxes (which include Social Security tax) to some extent, but doesn't eliminate them completely. Basically, you can pay yourself a "reasonable salary" which is subject to these taxes, then take additional income as distributions which aren't subject to self-employment tax. But the IRS requires the salary portion to be reasonable for your industry and role - you can't just pay yourself $1 in salary and take everything else as distributions. Regarding moving abroad, simply living in another country doesn't exempt you from US tax obligations if you're a US citizen. The US taxes its citizens on worldwide income. You might qualify for the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion for income tax purposes, but Social Security taxes can still apply depending on the country and any totalization agreements that exist.
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Jacob Lee
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Emily Thompson
•Wait how does this actually work? Does it just give general advice or does it actually look at your specific tax docs? I tried using TurboTax but they weren't helpful with strategies around SS tax.
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Sophie Hernandez
•Sounds like a sales pitch to me. There's no magical way around FICA taxes unless you fall into those specific exemption categories the other commenter mentioned. What specific strategy did they recommend that wasn't just standard S-Corp advice?
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Jacob Lee
•It actually reviews your specific tax situation through document analysis - you can upload past returns, income statements, business structure docs, etc. It's way more personalized than TurboTax which is mostly just a form-filler. They use some kind of AI to analyze your specific circumstances and find optimization opportunities you might not know about. Regarding the "sales pitch" concern - I get the skepticism. They didn't give me a magical exemption from SS taxes (which doesn't exist for most people), but they did analyze my consulting business structure and showed me that by reorganizing as an S-Corp and setting the right salary-to-distribution ratio, I could save about $7,200 annually in SE taxes while still being fully compliant. They also identified some retirement account strategies that let me shelter more income. Nothing shady - just optimization strategies I wasn't aware of.
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Emily Thompson
Just wanted to follow up about that taxr.ai site that was mentioned. I was pretty skeptical but decided to give it a shot with my weird mix of W-2 and freelance income. Holy crap, it actually found some legitimate strategies I had no idea about! I'm not completely exempt from Social Security taxes (which seems impossible unless you're Amish lol), but they showed me how to properly structure my side business to reduce my overall FICA burden. The analysis was super specific to my situation and included actual savings calculations. I'm implementing their suggestions for 2025 and should save around $4,800 in self-employment taxes while staying completely legit with the IRS. Worth checking out if you have any complexity in your tax situation!
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Daniela Rossi
If you're frustrated with Social Security, wait till you try calling the IRS to get any kind of exemption info... I spent THREE WEEKS trying to get through to someone who could answer my questions about SE tax exemptions. Always busy signals or 2+ hour hold times. I finally found this service called Claimyr (https://claimyr.com) that got me connected to an actual IRS agent in about 15 minutes. You can see how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c I was honestly shocked it worked because I'd been trying unsuccessfully for weeks. The agent I spoke with was actually super helpful and explained exactly which exemptions I might qualify for (turns out not many lol) and what documentation I would need. Saved me tons of time and frustration.
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Ryan Kim
•How does this even work? The IRS phone system is completely broken and nobody can get through. Does this service have some special backdoor?
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Sophie Hernandez
•This sounds like complete BS honestly. There's no way to "skip the line" with IRS phone systems. They're government run and everybody has to wait. I'm calling shenanigans on this whole thing.
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Daniela Rossi
•It uses an automated system that continually redials and navigates the IRS phone tree until it secures a spot in the queue. Then it calls you and connects you directly to the IRS. No special backdoor - just technology that handles the frustrating part of the process. I was super skeptical too! But after weeks of failing to get through myself, I was desperate. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it myself. The service doesn't give you any special treatment once you're talking to the IRS - it just handles the impossible part of actually reaching them in the first place. The IRS agent I spoke with was just a regular agent, but at least I actually got to talk to someone.
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Sophie Hernandez
Well I'll be damned. I need to apologize to you all. After calling BS on that Claimyr service, I decided to try it myself just to prove it was a scam. I was 100% wrong. It actually got me through to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes when I'd been trying unsuccessfully for days. I asked specifically about Social Security tax exemptions since that's what this thread is about. The agent confirmed everything that people said earlier - unless you're in a very specific category (certain religious groups, some government employees, etc.), there's basically no way to opt out. But at least I got a clear answer from an official source instead of banging my head against the wall trying to get through. Still in shock that the service actually worked.
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Zoe Walker
Nobody mentioned Ministers! If you're an ordained minister, you can opt out of Social Security by filing Form 4361. You have to certify that you're opposed to receiving public insurance benefits due to religious principles. Just saying...might be time for a career change lol
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Elijah Brown
•Wait so if I become a minister I don't have to pay SS tax? Is this for real? Does it matter what religion?
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Zoe Walker
•It's not quite that simple. You need to be a duly ordained, commissioned, or licensed minister of a church. You need to inform the IRS that you're conscientiously opposed to public insurance because of your religious beliefs. This isn't a loophole you can just jump through - you'd need to genuinely be a minister with sincere religious beliefs against receiving Social Security benefits. It's also worth noting that opting out means you won't receive SS benefits in retirement, nor Medicare. So you'd need to have your own retirement and health insurance plans in place. It's a serious, irrevocable decision that should align with genuine religious convictions - not just a tax strategy.
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Maria Gonzalez
Has anyone tried living outside the US to avoid these taxes? I've been thinking about moving to Portugal or something.
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Natalie Chen
•I'm an expat living in Germany, and I still have to pay US Social Security taxes because I work remotely for a US company. The US has totalization agreements with some countries that can affect where you pay social security taxes, but it doesn't usually eliminate the obligation entirely. The US and Germany have an agreement where I only pay into one system, but I still can't just opt out completely.
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Misterclamation Skyblue
I understand the frustration - those Social Security deductions really add up! I've been researching this topic extensively myself. The unfortunate reality is that for most regular W-2 employees, there's essentially no legal way to opt out of Social Security taxes. However, there are a few legitimate strategies worth considering: 1) **Self-employment structure optimization** - If you have any side income, proper business structuring (like S-Corp election) can help minimize self-employment taxes on that portion of your income. 2) **Maximize pre-tax retirement contributions** - While this doesn't reduce SS tax directly, maxing out 401(k), HSA, and other pre-tax accounts reduces your overall tax burden. 3) **Consider the long-term value** - Social Security provides disability insurance and survivor benefits in addition to retirement income. It's also inflation-adjusted, which many personal investments aren't. I know it's not the answer you're looking for, but the system is designed to be mandatory for most workers. The best approach is usually to optimize around it rather than trying to avoid it entirely. Have you calculated what your estimated Social Security benefits would be at retirement? Sometimes the numbers are better than expected when you factor in the insurance components and inflation protection.
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