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Eloise Kendrick

Pay taxes now or later? Which is better for maximizing your money?

I've been thinking about how to be smarter with my tax withholdings from my paychecks. Right now, my employer takes out taxes every pay period, but I'm wondering if there's a better strategy. Should I just keep paying taxes with each paycheck and then file for a refund if I overpaid? Or is there a way to minimize withholdings from my checks so I can put that money into a high-yield savings account (getting about 4.5% right now) or maybe a short-term CD until I actually need to pay the IRS? I'm basically wondering if I'm leaving "free money" on the table by letting the government hold my cash interest-free all year. Has anyone tried reducing their withholdings strategically to earn interest on that money before paying their tax bill? Is this even legal or would I get hit with penalties? Thanks for any advice!

Lucas Schmidt

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This is actually a smart question about tax strategy! You have two main options: You can pay as you go through withholdings (the default for most people), which ensures you're meeting your tax obligations throughout the year. The advantage is you never have to worry about having enough set aside when tax time comes. If you overpay, you get a refund, but you're right - that's essentially an interest-free loan to the government. Alternatively, you can adjust your W-4 to reduce withholdings (not eliminate them completely) and invest the difference. This is perfectly legal as long as you pay enough to avoid underpayment penalties. The IRS generally requires you to pay either 90% of your current year tax or 100% of your previous year's tax (110% if your income is over $150,000) through withholdings or quarterly estimated payments. Just be careful not to underwithhold too much. If you don't pay enough throughout the year, you could face underpayment penalties, which would defeat the purpose of your interest-earning strategy.

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Freya Collins

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So if I change my W-4 to withhold less, do I need to make those quarterly estimated payments manually? Or can I just pay one big lump sum when I file my taxes in April? I make about $85k if that matters.

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Lucas Schmidt

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If you reduce your withholdings significantly, you should make quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid penalties. The due dates are usually April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year. Since your income is $85k, you would need to pay either 90% of your current year tax liability or 100% of your previous year's tax liability (whichever is smaller) through a combination of withholding and quarterly payments. You can't just pay everything in April - that would likely result in underpayment penalties.

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LongPeri

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Oscar O'Neil

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How does it compare to the IRS withholding calculator? I tried using that before but found it confusing. Does this actually tell you what to put on your W-4 form line by line?

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LongPeri

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Liv Park

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This sounds like BS to me. There's no way the IRS allows third parties to hold your place in line. I've dealt with their phone system for years and it's a nightmare specifically designed to prevent people from getting through. I'll stick to my strategy of calling at 7am exactly when they open.

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Ryder Greene

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I've been doing the "minimum withholding + invest the difference" strategy for years and it's definitely worthwhile! Here's what worked for me: 1. I calculated my expected annual tax liability using last year's return as a guide 2. Set my withholding to cover just over 100% of last year's liability (safe harbor protection) 3. Put the extra money in I-bonds last year when rates were high 4. Made sure to set aside the eventual tax payment in a separate account so I wasn't tempted to spend it The key is being disciplined enough to actually invest the difference and not spend it. I made about $960 in interest last year using this method, which isn't life-changing money but definitely better than giving an interest-free loan to the government.

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I like this approach but curious - how do you handle the actual payment when tax time comes? Do you make estimated payments quarterly or just pay it all when you file? And have you ever miscalculated and come up short?

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Ryder Greene

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I actually make a single estimated payment in January before the filing deadline rather than quarterly payments. Since I ensure my withholdings cover at least 100% of my previous year's liability, I'm protected by the safe harbor rule and don't need to make quarterly payments to avoid penalties. I did miscalculate once about three years ago and came up about $1,200 short of what I needed. It wasn't a disaster because I had emergency savings, but it taught me to be more conservative with my estimates. Now I always withhold about 5% more than the minimum safe harbor amount just to give myself a buffer.

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Guys - this is all overthinking it. If you're making under 100k, the amount of interest you'll earn on the withheld taxes is minimal compared to the hassle. Let's say you would get a $3000 refund and could instead earn 5% on that money throughout the year. That's only $150 before taxes. Is it really worth the stress of potentially miscalculating and owing penalties? Sometimes the peace of mind of knowing your taxes are handled is worth more than squeezing out every last dollar.

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AaliyahAli

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This is terrible advice. $150 might not seem like much to you, but that's money that could be working for you instead of the government. Plus, this is about developing good financial habits. Why would you voluntarily give an interest-free loan to anyone, let alone the government? The "hassle" is minimal once you set it up correctly.

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I've been doing this strategy for about 3 years now and wanted to share my experience. The key is finding the right balance - you don't want to underwithhold so much that you trigger penalties, but you also don't want to be too conservative and miss out on potential earnings. Here's what I learned: Start small your first year. I reduced my withholdings by about 15% and put that money into a high-yield savings account. I tracked everything carefully and made sure I still hit the safe harbor threshold. The second year, I got more aggressive and reduced by about 25%, investing the difference in a mix of CDs and money market accounts. The psychological aspect is huge though. You have to be disciplined enough to actually save/invest that money and not spend it. I set up automatic transfers to a separate "tax payment" account so I wouldn't be tempted to touch it. Last year I earned about $480 in interest that would have otherwise gone to the government as an interest-free loan. One tip: keep really good records of your calculations and payments. If you ever get questioned by the IRS, you want to be able to show you were following the rules intentionally, not just trying to avoid paying taxes.

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Layla Sanders

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This is really helpful, thank you for sharing your actual experience! I'm in a similar situation where I've been getting refunds of around $2,500 each year and finally decided to do something about it. Your gradual approach makes a lot of sense - start conservative and then get more aggressive as you learn the system. Quick question about the record keeping - what specific documents do you keep track of? Just your W-4 changes and bank statements showing the money going into your tax account, or is there more to it? I want to make sure I'm covering all my bases if I go this route. Also, did you ever use any tools to help calculate the safe harbor amounts, or did you just work backwards from your previous year's tax return? I've seen some people mention online calculators but not sure if they're reliable.

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