Form 8995-A confusion with multiple LLCs - do I include the LLC with a loss?
I've got two LLCs that I'm running and I'm trying to figure out this whole qualified business income deduction stuff for the first time. One of my businesses did really well this year, bringing in about $273k in net profit. The other one... not so great, with a loss of around $24k. From what I've researched, since my income is over the $170,050 threshold, I need to use Form 8995-A instead of the regular 8995. What's throwing me off is whether I need to put both businesses on the 8995-A, or if I should only include the profitable one. I'm trying to use the Free Fillable Forms on the IRS website, and it looks like I can't enter a negative number on Line 2. Does this mean I should only be including the profitable LLC? Or am I missing something obvious here? Really don't want to mess this up and trigger an audit.
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Cameron Black
What you're dealing with is the Qualified Business Income (QBI) deduction, and you're right that Form 8995-A is the correct form since you're above the income threshold. For your situation, you actually need to include both LLCs on Form 8995-A, even the one with the loss. The way it works is that losses from one qualified business must offset the income from another qualified business. This is sometimes called "netting" your qualified business income. On the form itself, you'll use Schedule C (line 31) amounts for each business. For the business with a loss, you'd report it as a negative number. If the IRS Free Fillable Forms aren't allowing you to input a negative number, that might be a limitation of their system - but the actual form definitely allows for negative numbers. The reason this matters is that your QBI deduction is based on your overall qualified business income. If you only included the profitable business, you'd be calculating your deduction on $273k instead of the correct amount of $249k (profit minus loss).
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Jessica Nguyen
•But what if the Free Fillable Forms literally won't accept a negative number on line 2? Is there a workaround for that? Should I just file on paper instead?
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Cameron Black
•If the Free Fillable Forms won't allow you to enter a negative number, you have a few options. First, try entering the number with a minus sign before it (-24000) rather than using parentheses. If that doesn't work, you might need to use different tax software - many have free versions that handle this situation correctly. Filing on paper is certainly an option if you want to ensure it's done correctly. Another alternative is to look at the worksheet instructions for Form 8995-A, which might provide guidance for how to handle this specific situation in the Free Fillable Forms system. Sometimes there are special codes or ways to indicate negative amounts.
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Isaiah Thompson
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Ruby Garcia
•Does it walk you through actually filling out the forms or just tell you what to do? I'm using TurboTax and it's confusing me with all these QBI questions for each business.
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Alexander Evans
•I'm curious - can it handle K-1 income too? I have an LLC but I'm also a part owner in a partnership that issues K-1s and I'm completely lost on how all that factors into the QBI calculation.
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Isaiah Thompson
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Isaac Wright
Just a quick note that I've been preparing business returns for years and the 8995-A is incredibly confusing even for professionals. The fact that your profitable LLC exceeds the threshold means you need to use 8995-A and include both businesses. One thing nobody mentioned here: make sure your LLCs are actually eligible for QBI in the first place. If either business is a "specified service trade or business" (like health, law, accounting, etc.), different limitations apply once your income exceeds the threshold.
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Victoria Jones
•Neither of my LLCs are in those specified service fields. One is a software development company (mostly creating custom business applications) and the other is an e-commerce business selling specialty cookware. From what I've read, neither falls into the SSTB category, but please correct me if I'm wrong!
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Isaac Wright
•You're correct that those businesses likely don't fall into the SSTB category. Software development can sometimes be in a gray area, but if you're creating custom business applications rather than performing consulting services, you should be fine treating it as a non-SSTB. Since both your businesses qualify for QBI and aren't SSTBs, you'll use Form 8995-A and include both LLCs. Your QBI deduction will be based on the combined net amount ($249k) rather than just the profitable business. If you're having trouble with the Free Fillable Forms, I'd recommend either a commercial tax software or paper filing to ensure it's handled correctly.
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Lucy Taylor
Has anyone actually tried to report a loss on line 2 of 8995-A using the Free Fillable Forms? I tried entering the negative number with a minus sign and it worked fine for me. Maybe try "-24000" instead of "(24000)" for the format?
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Connor Murphy
•I just tried it on the Free Fillable Forms site, and you're right - it does accept the negative number if you use the minus sign. I was having the same problem as OP but entered it as "-18745" and it worked! Maybe they updated the system since last year.
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Mei-Ling Chen
Thanks everyone for all the helpful responses! I just tried entering my loss as "-24000" on the Free Fillable Forms and it worked perfectly. I must have been doing something wrong with the formatting before. To summarize what I learned from this thread: I definitely need to include both LLCs on Form 8995-A, with my profitable one showing $273k and the loss one as -$24k, giving me a net QBI of $249k for the deduction calculation. Since neither business is a specified service trade or business, I should be good to go. Really appreciate everyone taking the time to explain this - especially the clarification that losses from one qualified business must offset income from another. This makes total sense now, and I feel much more confident about getting this right on my return.
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