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Paolo Marino

Started a single member LLC, really confused about form SS-4 line 9a selection

I just started my own single member LLC last month and I'm trying to fill out this Form SS-4 to get an EIN, but I'm stuck on line 9a. The instructions say something like "a domestic LLC with only one member is disregarded as an entity separate from its owner and must include all income and expenses on the owner's tax return." So does this mean I should be selecting "Sole Proprietor" on line 9a? That seems like the logical choice based on what I'm reading, but I'm really second-guessing myself. I don't think "Corporation" would be right here, but honestly I'm confused about the distinctions. What's making this more confusing is that I have a couple friends who told me they have LLCs but get taxed as S-Corps. I don't see that as an option on this form. Would I need to select "Other" and write something in manually? I'm worried about messing this up and causing problems with the IRS down the road. Any help would be appreciated!

Yes, for a newly formed single member LLC, you would select "Sole Proprietor" on line 9a of Form SS-4 when applying for an EIN. The IRS treats a single-member LLC as a "disregarded entity" by default, which means it's not considered separate from you for federal tax purposes. Your friends who have LLCs but are taxed as S-Corps have likely filed Form 8832 (Entity Classification Election) and/or Form 2553 (Election by a Small Business Corporation) after getting their EIN. This is a two-step process: first you get your EIN as a sole proprietor, then you make the election to be treated as an S-Corporation for tax purposes. The benefit of being taxed as an S-Corp comes later - it can potentially save you money on self-employment taxes once your business is generating significant profit. But for now, "Sole Proprietor" is the correct choice for your situation.

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So if I initially select Sole Proprietor when getting my EIN, but later decide I want to be taxed as an S-Corp, I can still make that change? How complicated is that process and when would be the right time to consider it?

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Yes, you can definitely make that change later. The process involves filing Form 8832 to elect to be treated as a corporation (though this step is technically optional in some cases) and then Form 2553 to elect S-Corporation treatment. The right time to consider it is usually when your business profit reaches a point where the self-employment tax savings outweigh the additional costs of running an S-Corp. Generally, many tax professionals suggest considering this when your business nets around $40,000-$60,000 in profit, but this varies based on your specific situation. S-Corps require more formalities like paying yourself a "reasonable salary," running payroll, and potentially higher accounting costs.

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Did your accountant also help with all the extra S-Corp requirements? I've heard you need to run payroll and pay yourself a "reasonable salary" which sounds complicated. How much extra work/cost is involved with that part?

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Just to add another data point - I selected "Sole Proprietor" on line 9a of Form SS-4 for my single member LLC last year and it was definitely the right choice. The IRS processed my application without any issues. One thing to be aware of - when you get your EIN as a single-member LLC (selecting "Sole Proprietor"), you'll file your business taxes on Schedule C of your personal return. You don't file a separate business return like you would with an S-Corp or partnership. That was confusing to me at first because I thought having an LLC meant filing a separate business return.

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Do you still get liability protection with the LLC even though it's treated as a sole prop for taxes? That's what's confusing me about this whole process.

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Yes, you absolutely still get the liability protection from the LLC even though it's taxed as a sole proprietorship! The tax treatment and legal protection are two separate things. The LLC structure provides legal separation between your personal assets and business liabilities, which is one of the main reasons people form LLCs in the first place. The "disregarded entity" status only applies to federal taxes - it doesn't affect the legal protections. So you get the best of both worlds: simple tax filing (Schedule C on your personal return) plus the liability shield of the LLC structure. Just make sure you maintain proper corporate formalities like keeping business and personal finances separate to preserve that protection.

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Paolo, you're absolutely right to select "Sole Proprietor" on line 9a for your single member LLC! I went through this exact same confusion when I filed my SS-4 form earlier this year. The IRS treats single-member LLCs as "disregarded entities" by default, which means for tax purposes, you're essentially operating as a sole proprietorship. Don't worry about the S-Corp election your friends mentioned - that's a completely separate decision you can make later by filing Form 2553 after you already have your EIN. Many business owners start as sole proprietors and then elect S-Corp status once their profits justify the additional complexity and costs. The key thing is to get your EIN first with the "Sole Proprietor" selection, then you can always change your tax election later if it makes sense for your situation. Good luck with your new LLC!

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Thanks Zachary! This whole thread has been super helpful. I was getting overwhelmed by all the different tax election options, but it sounds like starting with "Sole Proprietor" on the SS-4 is definitely the way to go for now. It's reassuring to know I can always make changes later once my business grows and I have a better sense of what makes financial sense. Really appreciate everyone sharing their experiences - makes this whole process feel much less intimidating!

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Great question Paolo! I just went through this exact same process with my single member LLC a few months ago. You're absolutely correct - select "Sole Proprietor" on line 9a of Form SS-4. The IRS default treatment for single member LLCs is as a "disregarded entity," which means for federal tax purposes, you're treated like a sole proprietor. Your business income and expenses will be reported on Schedule C of your personal tax return (Form 1040). Regarding your friends with LLCs taxed as S-Corps - they likely made what's called an "S-Corp election" by filing Form 2553 AFTER they already got their EIN. This is a separate step that happens later, not something you deal with on the initial SS-4 form. Don't overthink it for now - get your EIN with "Sole Proprietor" selected, and then you can always explore the S-Corp election down the road if your business income grows to a level where it makes financial sense (usually when you're netting $40K+ annually). The S-Corp election can provide self-employment tax savings but comes with additional complexity like payroll requirements. You're on the right track - just go with "Sole Proprietor" and you'll be all set!

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This is exactly the reassurance I needed! I was second-guessing myself so much on this form, but hearing from someone who just went through the same process a few months ago makes me feel way more confident. The explanation about the S-Corp election being a separate later step really clears things up - I was getting confused thinking I had to make that decision right now on the SS-4. I'll definitely go with "Sole Proprietor" and focus on getting my business running first before worrying about more complex tax elections. Thanks for breaking down the income threshold where S-Corp might make sense too - gives me a good benchmark to keep in mind as the business grows!

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Paolo, you're definitely on the right track! For your single member LLC, "Sole Proprietor" is absolutely the correct selection on line 9a of Form SS-4. I just completed this same process for my LLC earlier this year and had the exact same confusion. The key thing to understand is that the IRS treats single-member LLCs as "disregarded entities" by default, which means for tax purposes, you're essentially operating as a sole proprietorship even though you have the legal protections of an LLC. This is actually a great setup for new businesses because you get liability protection while keeping tax filing simple. Don't worry about the S-Corp election your friends mentioned - that's a completely separate decision that happens AFTER you get your EIN. You would file Form 2553 later if you decide the tax savings make sense for your situation (typically when you're making $50K+ in profit and want to reduce self-employment taxes). For now, just select "Sole Proprietor," get your EIN, and start focusing on growing your business. You can always explore more complex tax elections down the road when your income justifies the additional administrative burden. The SS-4 form is just the first step - you're not locked into anything permanently!

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm also starting a single member LLC and was completely lost on the SS-4 form. The way everyone has explained that "Sole Proprietor" is the right choice for line 9a really clears things up. I love how you mentioned that we're not locked into anything permanently - I was worried that whatever I selected on this initial form would determine my tax situation forever. Knowing that I can explore S-Corp elections later when my business grows takes a lot of pressure off. Thanks for sharing your recent experience with the same process!

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Paolo, you're absolutely right to be confused - the SS-4 form can be really tricky for new LLC owners! I went through this exact same struggle when I started my single member LLC last year. Yes, you should definitely select "Sole Proprietor" on line 9a. Even though you formed an LLC, the IRS treats single-member LLCs as "disregarded entities" for tax purposes, which means you're taxed like a sole proprietor by default. This is actually beneficial because you get the liability protection of an LLC while keeping your taxes simple - you'll just report your business income and expenses on Schedule C of your personal tax return. Regarding your friends with LLCs taxed as S-Corps - that's a separate election they made AFTER getting their EIN. They would have filed Form 2553 (and possibly Form 8832) to elect S-Corporation tax treatment. This isn't something you need to worry about on your initial SS-4 form. You can always make that election later if your business grows to a point where the self-employment tax savings justify the additional complexity and costs of S-Corp treatment. Don't overthink it for now - select "Sole Proprietor," get your EIN, and focus on building your business. The tax elections can come later when you have a better sense of your income and whether more complex structures make financial sense!

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Thanks Kendrick! This whole discussion has been incredibly helpful for someone who's completely new to business formation. I was getting so anxious about making the wrong choice on the SS-4 form, but seeing how many people have gone through this exact same process and confirming that "Sole Proprietor" is the right selection gives me so much confidence. I really appreciate how you explained that the S-Corp election is something that happens later - I was getting overwhelmed thinking I had to figure out all these complex tax strategies right from the start. It's reassuring to know I can keep things simple initially and then explore more advanced options as my business grows and I learn more about what makes sense financially. One quick follow-up question - when you say "focus on building your business" first, do you have any recommendations for what new LLC owners should prioritize in those first few months after getting the EIN? I want to make sure I'm setting myself up for success!

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Great question Kiara! After getting your EIN, I'd recommend focusing on these key priorities: 1) Open a dedicated business bank account using your new EIN - this keeps your business and personal finances separate which is crucial for maintaining your LLC's liability protection, 2) Set up a simple bookkeeping system to track income and expenses from day one (even just a spreadsheet works initially), 3) Get appropriate business insurance if needed for your industry, and 4) Make sure you understand your state's LLC requirements like annual reports or franchise taxes. The most important thing is maintaining that separation between business and personal - use your business account for all business transactions, keep good records, and treat your LLC like the separate legal entity it is. Everything else can be figured out as you go!

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Paolo, you're absolutely correct to select "Sole Proprietor" on line 9a for your single member LLC! I just went through this exact same process a few months ago and had the same confusion. The IRS treats single-member LLCs as "disregarded entities" by default, which means for federal tax purposes, you're essentially treated as a sole proprietor even though you have the legal protections of the LLC structure. You'll report your business income and expenses on Schedule C of your personal tax return (Form 1040). Your friends who have LLCs taxed as S-Corps made what's called an "S-Corp election" by filing Form 2553 AFTER they already had their EIN. This is a completely separate step that happens later - not something you deal with on the initial SS-4 form. The S-Corp election can provide self-employment tax savings, but it comes with additional complexity like payroll requirements and higher accounting costs. My advice: select "Sole Proprietor" on line 9a, get your EIN, and focus on building your business first. You can always explore the S-Corp election down the road if your profits grow to a level where the tax savings justify the extra administrative burden (many tax professionals suggest considering this around $40K-60K in annual profit). Don't overthink it - you're making the right choice for a new single member LLC!

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This is exactly what I needed to hear! I've been stressing about this form for weeks, and seeing so many people confirm that "Sole Proprietor" is the right choice for single member LLCs gives me the confidence to finally submit it. The way you explained that the S-Corp election is a separate future decision really takes the pressure off - I was getting overwhelmed thinking I had to figure out all these complex tax strategies right from day one. Starting simple with sole proprietor status and then exploring other options as my business grows makes so much more sense. Thanks for mentioning the profit threshold where S-Corp elections typically make sense too ($40K-60K range). That gives me a concrete benchmark to keep in mind as I build the business. For now, I'll focus on getting my EIN and actually generating some income before worrying about optimizing tax structures!

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Paolo, you've gotten great advice here! I went through this exact same confusion with my single member LLC just six months ago. "Sole Proprietor" on line 9a is absolutely the correct choice - don't second guess yourself on this one. What helped me understand it was realizing that the LLC formation (state level) and tax treatment (federal level) are two completely separate things. Your LLC gives you liability protection at the state level, but the IRS defaults to treating single-member LLCs as sole proprietorships for tax purposes unless you actively elect otherwise. The S-Corp election your friends mentioned happens later via Form 2553, and honestly, it's not something most new businesses need to worry about initially. I've been tracking my numbers, and I'm nowhere near the profit level where S-Corp treatment would make sense given the additional costs and complexity. My recommendation: fill out that SS-4 with "Sole Proprietor" selected, get your EIN, open a business bank account, and focus on actually making money with your LLC. The advanced tax planning can wait until you have some real income to optimize!

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Yara, this is such a helpful perspective! I really appreciate how you explained the difference between LLC formation at the state level and tax treatment at the federal level - that distinction was something I was struggling to understand. It makes so much sense now that these are two separate things happening at different levels. Your point about focusing on actually making money first before worrying about advanced tax planning really resonates with me. I've been getting so caught up in trying to optimize everything from day one that I was losing sight of the fact that I need to actually generate income before there's anything to optimize! It's also reassuring to hear from someone who's been running their LLC for six months and confirm that starting with sole proprietor status has worked well. I think I was putting way too much pressure on myself to make all these complex decisions upfront when really the smart approach is to start simple and evolve as the business grows. Thanks for sharing your experience - it's exactly what I needed to hear to move forward confidently with the SS-4 form!

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Paolo, you're getting excellent advice here! As someone who just went through this exact same process with my single member LLC a couple months ago, I can confirm that "Sole Proprietor" is definitely the right choice for line 9a on Form SS-4. I had the same confusion initially because it feels weird selecting "Sole Proprietor" when you just formed an LLC, but that's exactly how the IRS wants it done. The single-member LLC is considered a "disregarded entity" for federal tax purposes, so even though you have the legal protections of an LLC, you're taxed as if you were a sole proprietor. What really helped me was understanding that this initial choice doesn't lock you in forever. I was overthinking it just like you are now, worried I'd mess something up and cause problems later. But once I realized that the S-Corp election your friends mentioned is a completely separate process that happens AFTER you get your EIN (using Form 2553), it took all the pressure off. My advice: select "Sole Proprietor," submit your SS-4, get your EIN, and then focus on building your business. You can always explore more complex tax structures later when your income justifies the additional complexity. For now, you're making the right choice to keep things simple!

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