Form 4562 and section 179 deduction: business income order of operations question

Great question about Form 4562! For section 179 deductions, "business income" on line 11 refers to your business taxable income BEFORE taking the section 179 deduction itself, but AFTER considering most other business expenses. So in your case, you'd start with your $27,000 income, subtract the $10,500 in other business expenses (meals at 50%, utilities, tools, etc.) first, and then apply the section 179 deduction of $18,500 to whatever's left. This means your business income for section 179 purposes would be around $16,500 ($27,000 - $10,500). Since your section 179 deduction is $18,500, which exceeds this amount, you'd only be able to deduct $16,500 under section 179 this year. The remaining $2,000 would be carried forward to the next tax year.

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I think there's some confusion between business income on Form 4562 and taxable income on Form 1120-S. They're not the same thing. For section 179 purposes, "business income" means the aggregate income from all active trades or businesses. This includes W-2 wages if you're the owner-employee of your S Corp, plus the ordinary business income from the S Corp and any other businesses you own. The limitation applies at both the entity level (your S Corp) AND at your individual level. So even if your S Corp has enough business income, you might still face limitations based on your overall business income.

Quick tip for everyone confused about Form 4562 - there's a worksheet in the instructions called the "Maximum Deduction Worksheet" that walks you through this calculation step by step. Saved me a ton of headaches. Also, remember that for 2024/2025, there's a $1,220,000 limit on section 179 property, and the deduction starts phasing out when you place more than $3,050,000 of section 179 property in service. Just FYI in case anyone has much larger purchases.

The order of operations is crucial here, and I think there's been some great clarification in this thread. Just to summarize for Rita's specific situation: Your business income for section 179 purposes is calculated as: $27,000 (gross income) - $10,500 (other business expenses, with meals at 50%) = approximately $16,500-17,000 depending on how much of that $10,500 was meals. Since your desired section 179 deduction of $18,500 exceeds this business income threshold, you can only deduct up to your business income amount this year. The excess carries forward to next year as a section 179 carryover (not a credit). One thing to double-check: make sure all your "other expenses" are legitimate business deductions. Sometimes reclassifying certain items or splitting purchases between section 179 and regular deductions can optimize your total tax benefit. The IRS is pretty strict about the business income limitation - it's designed to prevent section 179 from creating losses that offset other income.