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For SEP IRA, is my maximum deduction based on self-employment net income or net income minus SEP contributions?

I just set up an SEP IRA for my business and I'm totally confused about the contribution limits. From what I understand, I can put in up to 25% of my net income, but there seems to be some weird circular math happening. Here's what's confusing me: Is my contribution limit 25% of my net self-employment income BEFORE I make contributions, or is it 25% of what's left AFTER I make contributions? Like if I made $85,000 net from my photography business this year, would I be able to contribute $21,250 (25% of $85k)? Or would each contribution I make actually reduce my net income, which would then reduce how much I can contribute next? For example, if I contribute $5,000, does that mean my new net income is $80,000, and my new maximum contribution is now 25% of that? This creates this weird loop where each contribution lowers my maximum. I've been trying to figure this out for days and the IRS publications might as well be written in another language. Can someone please explain this in simple terms?

The SEP IRA contribution formula is definitely confusing! The short answer is that your maximum contribution is based on your net self-employment income AFTER subtracting your SEP contribution. This does create that circular relationship you're describing. The actual formula for self-employed individuals is that you can contribute up to 20% of your net self-employment income after deducting the SEP contribution itself (not 25% as many people think). The formula works out this way because the contribution reduces your income, which then reduces the base for calculating your contribution. The IRS provides worksheets for this calculation in Publication 560. For your $85,000 example, the maximum contribution would actually be closer to $17,000 (not simply 25% of $85,000). The math works out this way because if you contribute $17,000, your net income becomes $68,000, and $17,000 is 20% of $85,000 (or approximately 25% of $68,000).

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Wait I'm confused. So it's not actually 25% then? It's 20%? Where does the 25% number come from that everyone keeps mentioning when talking about SEP IRAs?

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It's a bit confusing because of how the calculations work. The 25% figure often mentioned refers to the limit for employees (if you were incorporated as an S-Corp, for instance). For self-employed individuals (sole proprietors, partners), the effective limit works out to 20% of your net earnings after deducting the SEP contribution. The 25% number comes from the tax code, but when you account for the self-employment tax deduction and the deduction of the SEP contribution itself, the effective rate becomes approximately 20%. It's essentially the same limit, just expressed differently based on which income figure you're using as your starting point.

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To make this SEP calculation simpler, here's a quick formula that works for most self-employed people: Maximum SEP contribution = Net profit × 0.20 This accounts for the circular reference problem without making your head explode. For most small business owners and freelancers, this gets you close enough without driving yourself crazy with the precise math.

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But isn't this slightly off? I thought the exact reduction factor was 0.9235 for the self-employment tax deduction, which would make the formula a bit different?

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You're right that there's more precision in the full calculation. The complete formula considering the self-employment tax deduction would be: Maximum SEP contribution = Net profit × 0.9235 × 0.25 Which simplifies to approximately Net profit × 0.2309, so my simplified 0.20 is actually conservative. You could potentially contribute a bit more using the exact formula. But for most people, the 20% rule of thumb works well as a planning tool without needing to get into decimal points.

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Does anyone know if there's a way to just check what my maximum SEP contribution is based on last year's tax return? I'm trying to max out my contribution for 2024 but don't want to over-contribute and deal with excess contribution penalties.

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Line 8 on Schedule SE Part I shows your net earnings from self-employment. You can use that number as your starting point, then multiply by approximately 20% as others have mentioned to get your maximum contribution. Just remember that if your income changes significantly this year, you'll need to recalculate.

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Just wanted to add my experience with this exact same confusion! I'm a freelance graphic designer and went through this same headache last year. The key breakthrough for me was understanding that the IRS uses "compensation" differently for employees vs. self-employed people. For employees, compensation is their salary BEFORE the employer makes SEP contributions (hence 25%). But for us self-employed folks, our "compensation" is net earnings AFTER we deduct our own SEP contribution, which creates that circular math nightmare you described. Here's what helped me: I used the worksheet in IRS Publication 560 (Worksheet 2-1) which walks through this step by step. It's still confusing, but at least it's official IRS guidance. For your $85K example, the actual max would be around $17,000 as others mentioned. The formula essentially works out to: Maximum = Net Profit ÷ 1.25, which gives you that ~20% effective rate. One tip: if you're planning quarterly estimated taxes, just budget around 18-20% of your net profit for SEP contributions to be safe. You can always true up at year end once you know your exact numbers.

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