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How to Calculate SEP IRA Contribution Limits with Multiple Business Partnerships

Hey fellow tax warriors, I'm trying to figure out my SEP IRA limits and getting confused with our business setup. My wife and I have three partnership LLCs we operate together. Two have SEP IRAs set up, one doesn't. For 2024, our numbers look like this: - Business A made $121,254 in net profit and has a SEP - Business B made $4,912 in net profit and has a SEP - Business C lost $65,783 and doesn't have a SEP We had about $6,100 in unreimbursed partnership expenses spread across all three. Our Schedule SE shows self-employment tax of $4,275 each. I have two questions that are driving me crazy: 1) Do I need to calculate the SEP contribution limits for businesses A and B separately based on each one's net income, or do I add up my total self-employment income (roughly $54,300) and calculate based on that? I've been using a Fidelity worksheet but it doesn't address multiple businesses. 2) When I get the contribution amount, is that per partner or the total the business can contribute? So would it be: Business A = $23,812 contribution limit (is this for each of us?) Business B = $560 contribution limit (is this for each of us?) OR Combined calculation = $10,458 contribution limit (for each partner?) I've read through IRS publications but haven't found clear guidance for multiple SEPs or partnership SEP situations. Any help would be seriously appreciated!

The good news is that this is actually simpler than you might think! For SEP IRA contribution calculations with multiple self-employed businesses, you need to aggregate all your self-employment income and losses. First, combine the net income from all your businesses (including the one with the loss). So that would be $121,254 + $4,912 - $65,783 = $60,383 total. Then subtract your unreimbursed partnership expenses of $6,100, giving you $54,283. This is your net self-employment income. From there, you'd calculate your SEP contribution limit as 20% of your adjusted net self-employment income (after deducting half your self-employment tax). Since your SE tax is $4,275, half would be $2,138. So your adjusted net SE income would be $54,283 - $2,138 = $52,145. Your maximum SEP contribution would be approximately $10,429 (20% of $52,145). And yes, this limit applies to each partner separately. You can each contribute up to your individual limit to your own SEP IRA accounts. The businesses with SEPs can make these contributions for you, but the total can't exceed your calculated limit.

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Thanks for this explanation! I'm in a similar situation but with an S-Corp and a Schedule C business. For calculating the SEP contribution, do I also need to include W-2 income from an employer (not my businesses)? Or is it strictly based on self-employment income?

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For SEP IRA contributions, you only include self-employment income from your businesses (Schedule C, partnerships, etc.). W-2 income from an employer is not included in this calculation. If you have both an S-Corp and a Schedule C business, you would include the net profit from your Schedule C. For the S-Corp, only the business profits allocated to you (Schedule K-1) count toward self-employment income, not your W-2 salary from the S-Corp. Remember that S-Corps are a bit different - your reasonable salary paid as W-2 wages from your own S-Corp is not considered self-employment income for SEP contribution purposes.

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I've heard of these automatic calculation tools but I'm skeptical. How does it handle partnership expenses that get reported separately on Schedule E? My accountant says those adjust the calculation too.

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Just to add some clarity on the "each partner" question - the SEP contribution limit you calculate applies individually to each partner. So if your aggregate calculation shows a $10,429 limit (as the top comment suggested), that means YOU can contribute up to $10,429 to YOUR SEP IRA, and your partner would calculate their own limit (which would be the same in your case since you mentioned equal SE tax amounts). The contributions are made by the business on behalf of each partner, but they're tracked separately. And remember, the businesses don't have to contribute the maximum - that's just the ceiling.

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Thank you so much for the clarification! So just to make sure I understand correctly - we need to take our combined SE income across all businesses (positive and negative), subtract expenses, then calculate our individual limits based on that aggregate amount?

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Yes, that's exactly right! Take all your self-employment income (profits and losses) across all businesses, subtract your unreimbursed expenses, then calculate the limit based on that aggregate amount. Remember to also subtract half of your self-employment tax before applying the 20% calculation. And the final number is your individual limit - your partner would have their own limit calculated the same way based on their share of the income. Just one more tip: Keep in mind that while you calculate based on aggregate income, you can choose which business(es) with SEPs actually make the contributions, as long as the total doesn't exceed your limit.

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Is anyone else confused about whether you can actually have multiple SEP IRAs? I thought you could only have one SEP account per person, even if the contributions come from multiple businesses. Am I missing something here?

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You can technically have multiple SEP IRA accounts (one for each business that offers a SEP), but practically speaking, it's usually better to consolidate into one account for simplicity. The contribution limit applies to you as an individual across all SEP accounts combined.

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Great question about the SEP IRA setup! You're absolutely right to be confused - the multiple business scenario isn't well explained in most resources. Here's what I learned after going through something similar: You do need to aggregate ALL your self-employment income across all businesses first, including losses. So your calculation would be: $121,254 (Business A) + $4,912 (Business B) - $65,783 (Business C) = $60,383 total net profit Then subtract your $6,100 in unreimbursed partnership expenses = $54,283 From there, subtract half your SE tax ($4,275 ÷ 2 = $2,138) = $52,145 adjusted net SE income Your SEP contribution limit would be 20% of $52,145 = approximately $10,429 per partner. This is your individual limit - your wife would calculate hers the same way. The businesses with SEPs can make these contributions for you, but you could also roll over funds between SEP accounts if needed. One thing that caught me off guard: make sure both businesses with SEPs contribute proportionally if you're going to max out. The IRS wants to see that SEP contributions don't discriminate between different employee classes, even when you're the only "employee.

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This is really helpful! I'm new to the SEP world and had no idea about the proportional contribution requirement you mentioned at the end. Can you explain what you mean by "contribute proportionally" between the different businesses? Does that mean if I have two SEP-eligible businesses, I can't just max out contributions through one business and ignore the other?

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Great question @Lucas Adams! The proportional contribution rule is actually more nuanced than I initially made it sound. You CAN choose to have just one of your SEP-eligible businesses make the entire contribution up to your calculated limit. The proportional requirement I mentioned applies when you have employees in your businesses - you'd need to contribute the same percentage of compensation for all eligible employees across all your businesses. But since you're likely the only participant in your SEPs as a business owner, you have flexibility in which business actually makes the contribution. For example, if your total limit is $10,000, Business A could contribute the full $10,000 to your SEP, or you could split it $7,000 from Business A and $3,000 from Business B. The key constraint is that the total across all sources can't exceed your calculated individual limit. Just make sure whichever business makes the contribution has sufficient cash flow to handle it!

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This is such a timely question! I just went through this exact scenario with my CPA last month for my 2024 taxes. One thing I'd add to the excellent explanations already given - make sure you're using the correct self-employment tax calculation when you aggregate across multiple businesses. Since you mentioned having three partnership LLCs, each business should be reporting its share of SE income/loss on your personal return, and the SE tax gets calculated on the combined amount. Also, a heads up on timing: if you haven't already set up the SEP for Business C (the one with the loss), you might want to consider it for future years when it becomes profitable again. You can establish a SEP anytime before your tax filing deadline (including extensions), so there's flexibility there. The $10,429 limit that others calculated sounds right based on your numbers. Just remember that's your personal limit - your wife gets her own identical limit assuming she has the same SE income allocation from the partnerships. One last tip: keep detailed records of which business makes each SEP contribution. It'll make tax prep much easier next year, especially if you end up splitting contributions between Business A and B.

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This is exactly the kind of detailed breakdown I was hoping for! The timing flexibility on setting up the SEP for Business C is something I hadn't considered - that could be really valuable if it swings profitable next year. Quick follow-up question: you mentioned keeping detailed records of which business makes each contribution. For tax reporting purposes, do I need to track this separately on my personal return, or is it just for my own bookkeeping? I want to make sure I'm not creating any compliance issues by having contributions come from different businesses.

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